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Requested move 17 March 2022

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It was proposed in this section that Javelin (rocket) be renamed and moved to Javelin (sounding rocket).

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Moved to Argo D-4 Javelin. Consensus that a move is needed, and this alternate proposal garnered support. Old title will redirect to the disambiguation page. (closed by non-admin page mover) -2pou (talk) 05:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Javelin (rocket) → Javelin (sounding rocket) – WP:AT ambiguous disambiguation is a bad idea. The current title should point to the disambiguation page javelin (disambiguation). There are multiple rockets by this name FGM-148 Javelin, Javelin (surface-to-air missile) included -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). No such user (talk) 14:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Based on the definitions we use for Rocket (weapon) and Missile, can either of the others be referred to as a rocket? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 23:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both of the other two are guided rockets, rocket powered missiles. Not all missiles are rocket powered (cruise missiles usually use jet engines). We have articles on such like Direct Attack Guided Rocket which is a rocket-powered missile similar to a Hellfire. From the definition from the main article Rocket, any missile with a rocket engine is a rocket. So, these are not unguided rockets, and "rocket (weapon)" is referring to unguided rockets, while "guided rocket" is a common type of weapon [1]; meanwhile a wikt:missile is also anything that is thrown and follows ballistics, which isn't anything that is powered in flight (ie. a baseball or bullet is a missile, but a jet or rocket-powered missile isn't this kind of missile); so all three fit the definition of rocket as found at rocket -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That mostly checks out to me. I'll leave this for someone more solid than I in their knowledge of military technology, though. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 23:33, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's not easy to do a proper COMMONNAME research, but my findings suggest that an optimal title should lie along the lines of Argo D-4 Javelin rather than the proposed (rather convoluted) disambiguated scheme. Argo D-4 was an official name and "Javelin" kind of moniker, so the two are commonly used hand-in-hand in sources (gbook search). Its sister project was Argo D-8 nicknamed Journeyman, but we don't have an entry for it. No such user (talk) 16:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- "Argo D-4 Javelin" That's fine by me -- I am the original nom -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support either move a move is needed. Argo D-4 Javelin would be good too. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Argo D-4 Javelin, with Javelin (rocket) refirecting to Javelin (disambiguation) — The Anome (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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