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Come on.

The sentence I just slapped the ^{[citation needed]} tag on is ridiculous. It looks like it comes from a management guide or some such crap that engages in massive wishful thinking. David Marjanović (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency of orthography

The lede uses two orthographies alternately, arete and aretē. Though it does not appear here, arête is another frequent form. It would be best to use a single spelling but list commonly used alternate forms. HGilbert (talk) 10:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note #2

The correct link for the second note is http://richard-hooker.com/sites/worldcultures/GLOSSARY/ARETE.HTM. I would appreciate it if this section's owner would update it. Many thanks! Rebecca (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 01 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 23:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arete (moral virtue) → Arete – Destination should not redirect to Arete (disambiguation), as currently. A multi-move request should have been opened. – Srnec (talk) 05:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec: How much is "moral virtue" a main meaning? To many, an arete is an arête in mountains. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My request was purely procedural. I have no opinion on the main meaning. But the primary meaning at the German Wikipedia is also virtue in Greek philosophy. Srnec (talk) 16:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate per @Bermicourt:'s bold move; move Arete (disambiguation) to Arete -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 06:17, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - an obscure Greek term is hardly a primary meaning and has caused numerous false links from mountain articles. Agree the alternate proposed above to move Arete (disambiguation) to Arete. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Relatively obscure term. No primary topic. And of course move Arete (disambiguation) to Arete. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages as proposed at this time, per the discussion below. I have added an additional hatnote to the article pointing directly to Arête in light of the objections expressed over the course of this discussion. Dekimasuよ! 00:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Arete (moral virtue) → Arete
Arete → Arete (disambiguation)

– While this move was requested before, I don't agree with the result - far from being an "obscure" Greek term, it has significantly more pageviews than the other potential major topics. Comparison It appears to be the clear primary topic as all the various people were named from the concept. As for arête, WP:SMALLDETAILS means they should be able to coexist._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The commenters in the last RM are mistaken: There are significantly more views for the philosophical concept than for the ridge. As for the ridge, that can be delt with using a hatnote that says, Not to be confused with arête. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I only ever see the word "arete" in its meanings of a mountain ridge or a more general corner between things. In French that should be spelled with a circumflex but I think in English that distinction has mostly been lost. I don't think the technical term from academic philosophy is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the "distinction has been lost". When I search Google with "arete" I get results for the Greek virtue. When I search with "arête" I get results for the mountain formation AND the Greek virtue. It seems like you have it backwards and "arête" is the only one that is always spelled with a circumflex. Perhaps it should also be moved to Arête (geology) and Arête be made a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support and leave arête alone. Srnec (talk) 02:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the Greek concept covers more than just moral virtue. Having "moral virtue" as a disambiguation isn't quite correct. Teishin (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether the meaning is the same or not, a title parenthetical is not supposed to be used for translation. It should be more like arete (Greek word). Nine Zulu queens (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, regardless of whether there is a move, Nine Zulu queens is correct about the title parenthetical. Teishin (talk) 19:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No clear primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mild support. Looking at all ambiguous topics, including arête, the moral virtue article still receives over 63% of the page views, ie more than all the others combined.[1] I'd say that qualifies as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support This clearly has the most long-term significance. --Katolophyromai (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"Excellence of any kind"

I think the use of quotation marks in the first sentence is a bit misleading. The word does not mean "excellence of any kind" in the sense that you could slot that phrase into a sentence in place of "arete". Rather, word means "excellence" and can refer to any kind of excellence. I get that the quotation marks indicate that the entire phrase comes from the cited source, so maybe the fix is to restructure the sentence to something like "Liddle and Scott define arete as..." 12.132.53.98 (talk) 19:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a link for the Greek language page (doh!)

Here is the link for the Greek language article on arete; I'm not sure how to add this to Languages. Could someone help? Thank you! https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF%81%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%AE TruthSum (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]