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A fact from Apple (song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by #Amishtiktok content creators, who substituted operating a horse and buggy?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a viral dance for Charli XCX's "Apple", in which performers mimic driving a car, was performed by #Amishtiktok content creators? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/28/apple-dance-charli-xcx-brat-tiktok
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

Created by Launchballer (talk) and This0k (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 241 past nominations.

Laun chba ller 10:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I can't escape this damn album... well let me review what you've got :)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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Cited:
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QPQ: Done.

Overall:

I know many Amish families famously disavow all modern forms of technology (though as with any religion there is internal diversity), so there is potential here. However, some tweaking can be done, removing a couple of unnecessary information. Do we need to specify the title of the song, or the platform where the dance went viral? Wrt the article itself, I have some concerns - what makes neonmusic.com, Resident Advisor, and Whynow RS? Furthermore, the article uses two student newspapers. Once these are addressed, I will be glad to look at the hook again. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Laun chba ller 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that existence of other coverage has any bearing on whether the student publications should be included. For what they're being used for, i.e. attributed opinion, they're fine. You're right that there is lots of extra coverage of Brat, however Apple wasn't released as a single until very recently and all of the critical reception predates the song going viral, so there's much less of it than you'd think. Surprisingly few critics mentioned it as a highlight. (Much of the coverage went on some of the tracks that actually were singles; most of the hits for ""charli xcx" brat review apple" include phrases like "Apple Music" and "Fiona Apple".) I've added one more WP:EXPERTSPS which I missed when I looked the first time. (You'd need a second reviewer for ALT0b as neither of my hooks mention when the track was released, and I'm tempted to ask them about this as well.)--Laun chba ller 08:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see @Ss112: has removed the student reviews. I don't agree with their removal, but I don't feel strongly enough to put them back.--Laun chba ller 05:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PSA: Does the above address your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720 @Launchballer, sorry that I left this in the backburner for quite a while - school had just started and I had to stay away from editing for a bit to keep focus. Now that I'm freer these days though, I looked at the article again and am glad to see the critical reception has been changed to reflect the comments. On that end, it LGTM, but since I proposed another hook myself I might need to get a second opinion

. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 02:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fairly sure a new reviewer is only needed where new information is added and that ALT0b is a rewording of ALT0, so you could in theory approve it.--Laun chba ller 11:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed; the various ALT0 hooks are different enough that an independent review is warranted. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer here, Alt0b doesn't seem like it presents the interest here in my opinion given I'm sure Amish content creators do other dances as well; I'd say a slightly different form of Alt0a, Alt0c: "... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators, who substituted operating a horse?"? (134 chars) That seems like the most interesting part to me. Hopefully another new reviewer is not needed now. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That hook is fine by me. (The "unusual or intriguing" bit is in "Amish people have participated in an Internet dance challenge", as the Amish notoriously steer clear of technology.)--Laun chba ller 06:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed for ALT0c; the horse is a new fact and should be checked by someone other than Mrfoogles, who proposed the hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0c approved. NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 01:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umusic.digital

@This0k: What makes Umusic.digital a reliable source?--Laun chba ller 18:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well it just looks like an independent source to me which I'm pretty sure that it is and that is allowed per WP:IIS. The website also includes legal and contact information. It is also not a blog. This0k (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no named editors and I see no evidence that this has been fact checked.--Laun chba ller 20:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been two months but i have to ask how to push this article to GA status. Thanks to your help it doesn't look too far away. Fact checks will have to be done though as some sources may not be reliable.This0k (talk) 16:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]