Talk:Aoashi

April?

@Hijk910: Lets move it here. Link20XX (talk) 17:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Suggest use "Spring 2022" instead of April 2022

I think "April 2022" = "Spring 2022" is WP:OR. I don't understand why we cannot stick with the wording used the every source. And I also don't understand why a footnote for supplementing the exact wording used is also not allowed. -Hijk910 (talk) 17:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem with "Spring" is MOS:SEASON. But anyway, virtually every other article for upcoming series do this too, so I don't understand why this is a problem with just this article. Link20XX (talk) 17:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I am a zhwiki user and seldomly edit in enwiki, so do not read articles here very often. Besides, "virtually every other article for upcoming series do this too" does not necessarily prove it right. Intuitively, a month is not equal to a season. "April = Spring" is an over-interpretation. -Hijk910 (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Unrelated side note but I have noticed your ZH wiki contributions, and you do a good job with them. Link20XX (talk) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation. -Hijk910 (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Besides, "Q2", which you mention is good as well, is MUCH better than "April", as it refers to three months instead of one month. But still, I don't understand why a "Spring" footnote is not allowed. -Hijk910 (talk) 17:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Using "Spring" as dating or referring to a time in any way violates MOS:SEASON. ANN and the Japanese sources use it since they are all Northern Hemisphere based, but Wikipedia strives to be more broad in its perspective. That is the problem with the footnote. But anyway, I still don't think there is anything wrong with April, but if it makes you feel better, you can change them to Q2 or quarter 2. Link20XX (talk) 17:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I get it, Wikipedia (esp. enwiki) intends to be worldwide. I agree not to use "Spring" in the main text. However, supplementing the exact wording of the official announcement in a footnote should not be misleading as 2022 Q2 is used in the main text. The supplement can give the reader what "Q2" exactly is. As I mentioned, "Spring" is not necessarily "April to June". The definition of Spring is looser than Q2. -Hijk910 (talk) 17:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Spring (in the northern hemisphere) is considered to be April-June. Quarter 2 is also April-June. They are the same range of time. Link20XX (talk) 18:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Except My Hero Academia (season 5), Attack on Titan (season 4) is also an example to explain my point. The second part of the season 4 will premiere in "Winter this year"/"the coming winter" ("今冬", a really ambiguous word if you ask me) [1]. Besides, Spring in Japan is March to May, in terms of climate; that's why I said "the definition of Spring is looser than Q2". -Hijk910 (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I believe "今冬" is not equal to "2022冬". That's why more explanation is needed if the original wording is not followed. -Hijk910 (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Spring in terms of climate and Spring in terms of dating are different. Like I said, My Hero Academia started on a recap and Attack on Titan was revealed for Fall 2021 in Japan, and in Japan, the business year is Winter=January-March, Spring=April-June, Summer=July-September, and Fall is October-December, so in the business terms, it was in the right time frame. Though AoT is also large enough they will break the norm just to air it. Link20XX (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"My Hero Academia started on a recap" is incorrect. Only the part before the opening theme is recap, and everything else is original. Besides, in Attack on Titan (TV series), "Winter" is used. Why is it allowed then? -Hijk910 (talk) 18:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

That is incorrect and should be fixed too. And as a manga reader, I can confirm the episode of MHA that aired in March adapted nothing from the manga. Link20XX (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

As a note, Funimation has used winter and January to mean the same thing, like here. Link20XX (talk) 18:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

An original episode is not a recap; the original episode (I mentioned it is an original episode in the edit summary, I know it) is part of Season 5. You can't take it away. And I believe "Spring" and "April" can have different meaning in an announcement so the "Spring" instead of "April" was used; and Q2 strictly starts in April by definition, and late March may be part of "Spring", given that an example exists, and intuitively it can be true.

And some basic logic: January→Winter does not mean Winter→January. January→Winter means (not Winter)→(not January) (contraposition). -Hijk910 (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

So what exactly are you proposing? You can't use seasons to correspond to a time of year per MOS:SEASON. Also the fact that they only aired one original episode in the entire season of MHA then jump right to manga suggests to me at least, there is more to it. Almost every show these days is episode lengths of 12 or 13 (or 24-26 in some rare cases), which perfectly correspond to three months worth of content, hence the quarters. Before you say it, AoT is an exception because it is so large, but broadcasters wouldn't do the same thing for a new show. It makes scheduling hard. Link20XX (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

What I am proposing is "adding a footnote of what literally the official side announced in terms of wording" because Q2 and Spring are not necessarily equal and we should not over-interpret the announcement (WP:OR). -Hijk910 (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Like I have explained earlier, Q2 2022 is the same as Spring 2022 in the business sense. A footnote is unnecessary. You have found two exceptions to the statements I have made, both of which are super large TV series and are outliers so much so, that broadcasters and whatnot will do whatever, but for most TV shows, that isn't the case. Link20XX (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

All WP:OR. -Hijk910 (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Not at all. See the premiere dates at 2021 in anime, 2020 in anime, etc. Link20XX (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I think you do see some non-Jan, Apr, Jul or Oct month in 2021 in anime, don't you? And in fact it doesn't matter, the conclusion is Spring anime "probably" premiere in April. "Probably" is not equal to 100%. -Hijk910 (talk) 18:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

If you only look at TV series (which the anime of this is confirmed to be), the only exceptions are large media franchises. I'm fine with not putting April just I think putting a footnote is unnecessary, since that is also made clear just by looking at the source. Link20XX (talk) 19:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:OR again: you assumed that Aoashi is not "large" enough; and your criteria of being large is ambiguous - are D4DJ Petit Mix, Kiyo in Kyoto: From the Maiko House and The Great Jahy Will Not Be Defeated! "large" to you? Besides, we should not expect readers to drill into the references. -Hijk910 (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

D4DJ is a media franchise, and that series is a sequel to the show that finished airing a bit before it. Great Jahy is listed as premiering on July 31, just a bit past midnight so it is represented as August 1, and Kiyo from Kiyoto was revealed to be February from the time it was first announced, but this one does not fall into any of those situations. Also we should expect readers to at least look at the title of the reference, which states what the footnote would effectively state. Link20XX (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

(Not relevant anymore but I still want to raise it: the example of The Great Jahy Will Not Be Defeated! shows why "April 2022" is wrong - even it is listed as "April" - in a WORLDWIDE enwiki, it can be not "April". Let "Spring" be "Spring".)

What do you mean by this? Link20XX (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

A Summer anime turns out to be premiere in "August". -Hijk910 (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

[note 1] and [1] are different to readers. Normal readers can pay no attention to [1], but know [note 1] does have some meaning. -Hijk910 (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

D4DJ Petit Mix is not a sequel of D4DJ. You click into the link and you'll know it. -Hijk910 (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Story-wise, no, but it did start the week after the TV series finished. Link20XX (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

And the point I would like to say is: the premiere dates do not strictly follow Jan-Apr-Jul-Oct pattern. And therefore you should not expect Aoashi is a normal anime series. -Hijk910 (talk) 19:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright but MOS:SEASON prevents seasons from being used as dates. Link20XX (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

It does not prevent quoting the exact wording from the announcement, esp. it should not be misleading after mentioning "Q2 2022". -Hijk910 (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I guess if you wanted to have a note say something to the effect of "the original announcement was worded as "spring 2022"", that could be alright. It is also probably best just to put it in the media section with the anime. Though of course it would be just temporary and removed once we get a more exact premiere date (eg. a month or exact date). Sound okay? Link20XX (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Very okay. Thank you and good night (4:40 a.m. now in Hong Kong). -Hijk910 (talk) 19:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to change the name

It's not Aoashi, but Ao Ashi RealSonny (talk) 18:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

You have to change the name!

It's not Aoashi, but Ao Ashi RealSonny (talk) 18:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

All of the English sources in the article refer to it as Aoashi with no space. Link20XX (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)