Talk:Anything You Can Do (I Can Do Better)
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[edit]i love that song soooooo.. much!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.77.23 (talk) 21:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Muppet Show
[edit]Please don't keep re-reverting me with no explanation. I don't think the appearance of this song on the Muppet Show is notable. Lots of songs appear on the Muppet Show. Why do you think that it is? AJD 14:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sure it seemed notable for someone who was first introduced to the song as a child by hearing it on the Muppet Show. But in reality, it's no more notable than any of the 100's or 1000's of other venues where it's made an appearance over the years. Cgingold 20:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- By WP:NNC, notability is not the issue, and I have found so far no applicable content policy. The Muppet Show itself is clearly notable, and I think this justifies listing its version here, especially as it involves Ethel Merman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs) 15:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Although in principle notability guidelines do not limit article content, surely they do when the section of the article is labeled "notable"—in this case, "notable performances". How do we determine whether something belongs on the list of "notable performances" if not by applying the notability guidelines? AJD (talk) 00:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- From the aforementiond policy: "They do not give guidance on the content of articles" ... "various content policies govern article content". (A better name for Wikipedia:Notability would be Wikipedia:Topic_Notability, if you ask me.) In the context of the article, "notable performance" means "more notable than the" "100's or 1000's" of other performances. In prose form, this section would be named "Reception", and as far as I can see, the listed performances fit very nicely into a reception history of the song. If you know specific guidelines, policies or facts requiring removal, please let me know. Currently, your case consists of the assertion "it is not notable because there are lots of equally notable songs on the Muppet Show". In the form stated, this is relevant for the Muppet Show article only, not for this article. Regards Paradoctor (talk) 08:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough; but why is a performance of this song on The Muppet Show more notable than the hundreds or thousands of performances of this song? Lots of songs were performed on The Muppet Show, so it's not a particularly unusual distinction for a song. As far as I can tell, the Muppet Show performance didn't have any significant impact on the perception, interpretation, or popularity of the song; it wasn't as far as I know released as a single or on an album that might have gotten repeat play independent of The Muppet Show; it was probably performed on any number of other musical-variety TV programs. I mean, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information, as the saying goes; I'm basically just trying to prevent list bloat. I don't have anything against The Muppet Show in particular; there seem to be several other non-notable performances on that list as well. AJD (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- First off, how many other songs were on the Muppet Show is totally irrelevant, this article we're editing here is not about the Muppet show. Now on to the relevant bit: You stated that the Muppet Show performance is no more notable than the other performances presumed to be out there, and added a more or less reasonable speculation on performances on other TV programs. The thing to note is that nobody added information on these shows, while the Muppet reference has been introduced independently by at least two different editors, which is a pretty good indication that the Muppet performance is not another face in the crowd. The bulk of the 'other' performances would consist in stage performances. If I was to make a wild guess, I'd say that the Muppet performance has had more viewers over the last 30 years than all stage-only performances combined. And for those introduced to the song by the Muppets, it will forever be associated with a porteous old lady and a singing swine, rather than a vivacious brunette and her handsome love interest. A similar argument applies to the other TV performances in the list, with the Nanny version adding a good measure of surrealism. Regards, Paradoctor (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough; but why is a performance of this song on The Muppet Show more notable than the hundreds or thousands of performances of this song? Lots of songs were performed on The Muppet Show, so it's not a particularly unusual distinction for a song. As far as I can tell, the Muppet Show performance didn't have any significant impact on the perception, interpretation, or popularity of the song; it wasn't as far as I know released as a single or on an album that might have gotten repeat play independent of The Muppet Show; it was probably performed on any number of other musical-variety TV programs. I mean, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information, as the saying goes; I'm basically just trying to prevent list bloat. I don't have anything against The Muppet Show in particular; there seem to be several other non-notable performances on that list as well. AJD (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- From the aforementiond policy: "They do not give guidance on the content of articles" ... "various content policies govern article content". (A better name for Wikipedia:Notability would be Wikipedia:Topic_Notability, if you ask me.) In the context of the article, "notable performance" means "more notable than the" "100's or 1000's" of other performances. In prose form, this section would be named "Reception", and as far as I can see, the listed performances fit very nicely into a reception history of the song. If you know specific guidelines, policies or facts requiring removal, please let me know. Currently, your case consists of the assertion "it is not notable because there are lots of equally notable songs on the Muppet Show". In the form stated, this is relevant for the Muppet Show article only, not for this article. Regards Paradoctor (talk) 08:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Although in principle notability guidelines do not limit article content, surely they do when the section of the article is labeled "notable"—in this case, "notable performances". How do we determine whether something belongs on the list of "notable performances" if not by applying the notability guidelines? AJD (talk) 00:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- By WP:NNC, notability is not the issue, and I have found so far no applicable content policy. The Muppet Show itself is clearly notable, and I think this justifies listing its version here, especially as it involves Ethel Merman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs) 15:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Belmont High Broadway Night 2009 performance
[edit]If nobody supplies some support for the notability of this item, I will delete it. Regards, Paradoctor (talk) 23:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)