Talk:Anyone but You

The movie is Anyone But You, the "b" in But should not be lower case

Regardless of the style rules around conjunctions and prepositions in titles, the official title for the project is Anyone But You. Changing it to Anyone but You is grammatically correct but actually going against the official name. It would be like someone changing the title of Don't Worry Darling to Do Not Worry Darling because a style guide said not to use a contraction in a title. CJHLambert (talk) 00:31, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Capital letters. "But" here is a preposition consisting of less than five letters so it must not be capitalized in the middle of the title of any work. Nardog (talk) 19:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

"But" is a conjunction, Nardog. Regardless, conjunctions are usually lowercased in title case. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 10:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

In this case it isn't. See wikt:but#Preposition. Nardog (talk) 14:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

R-Rating vs World

I find it worthwhile mentioning that in Germany the film recieved no age restriction (FSK 0) while in USA it has been rated "R". Source German Wikipedia site and "Wo die Lüge hinfällt – R-Rated-Comedy mit Sydney Sweeney bekommt FSK 0-Freigabe." In: schnittberichte.com. 30. Dezember 2023. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.183.101.76 (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding to the plot statement.

At the beginning of the movie there is so much more that adds to the plot, I will add information on this. When Bea leaves Ben's apartment she hears Ben talking bad about their night because he is mad at her for leaving without telling him bye. AnsleyKeenan (talk) 18:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 30 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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Anyone but You → Anyone But You – The film's actual title ...

The official title of the film is Anyone But You, not Anyone but You. I understand there is a grammatical case to keep the article as it is, but shouldn't we use the film's official title? Mjks28 (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support [major sources have been found below which use the lowercase, so striking my comment as there is no source which uses the lowercase as far as I could tell (the References which use lowercase on the page are incorrect, as is the IMBD link, and they all use uppercase). This is another instance where Wikipedia guidelines go against the entire range of real-world references, and thus another clear example where those guidelines can be ignored (WP:IAR) per the commonsense exception for the sake of accuracy. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:5: Not capitalized: For title case, the words that are not capitalized on Wikipedia (unless they are the first or last word of a title) are: [...] • Short coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or, nor ; also for, yet, so when used as conjunctions) • Prepositions containing four letters or fewer (as, in, of, on, to, for, from, into, like, over, with, upon, etc.) So the "but" in this title should not be capitalized, whether it's to be interpreted as a coordinating conjunction or as a preposition. Nardog (talk) 01:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Nardog There are always exceptions to this rule, such as Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood and Star Trek Into Darkness. The rule doesn't reflect real world examples, and means the article isn't accurate to the film's title. Mjks28 (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, The film's official title is Anyone But You, the title of the Wikipedia page should reflect the title of the film. Additionally, as no sources refer to the film with a lowercase the Wikipedia guidelines go against the sources therefore it it should be ignored. Travelling nomad1 (talk) 03:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. It is not the case that no sources refer to the film with lowercase "but". Higher quality sources like The New York Times here and The Washington Post here use the lowercase version that is in accordance with our guidelines. Promotional materials use ANYONE BUT YOU, but we reject that version because it isn't in accordance with our guidelines. And at any rate, if we only relied on official titles then we would have no reason to maintain a manual of style at all. Dekimasuよ! 03:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – Better to stick to guidelines. And it's not even clear why nom claims uppercase But is in the official title, since all the official materials I see use all-caps. No matter, we have our style for titles. Another example: we have The Half of It, but Netflist lists it as "The Half Of It" and the posters use "the half of it". They seem all over on style, but it would foolish to try to follow them. Dicklyon (talk) 04:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Dicklyon The official Sony Pictures (the parent company of the film's production company, Columbia Pictures) website and the SK Global (another of the film's production companies) website both refer to the film with the capital B. —Mjks28 (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Prepositions are not capitalised if shorter than a certain threshold.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

  And the same goes for conjunctions, like but. Dicklyon (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  ...which may also be a preposition, as in this title. Nardog (talk) 06:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:IAR and official title. The lowercased title, out of step with almost all sources, just reads weird. The NY Times, Washington Post, and Wikipedia have gotten this one wrong (as if that hasn't happened before). This never-ending argument about Wikipedia's uppercasing/lowercasing guidelines and stubborn adherence to marching out of the commonsense box is a good example of what the policy WP:IAR is for ("Policy?" say those who shy from it. "Yes, policy" says the peanut gallery). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per the guidelines. Anyone but You is just as valid as Anyone But You in real-world uses. As mentioned above, The New York Times and The Washington Post write it this way, and so do Variety and Vanity Fair and The Daily Beast and Austin Chronicle and Business Insider and Indiewire and The Atlantic. Again, this does not mean that Anyone But You is invalid, but we have a MOS to follow to go with one of two valid options. Editors should beware their aesthetic "it looks wrong" POV pushing. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 01:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  The aesthetic "it looks wrong" is likely the same reasoning that the studio's official name for the film is uppercased.. Also why many sources uppercase. Lowercase just looks wrong. I'm not going to lie-by-omission in my reasoning, and to agree with the official and likely common name of the film doesn't push a point when the policy pointed to is IAR. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  Capitalizing But looks wrong. I'd say ignore all WP:IAR invocations. Dicklyon (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  Who cares what we personally think? You're just an editor. I'm just an editor. As I said, both titles have real-world validity, despite your claim that only one of them is valid. Wikipedia just happens to follow the MOS that these aforementioned linked works do, and not that of the other works. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

References

• Oppose per Dekimasu, Amakuru, Dicklyon. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 08:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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