Talk:Any port in a storm

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Any port in a storm is a proverb which has been used in popular culture and politics since 1749? Source: The first known publication of the phrase was in 1749 Politics Music News HBO TV
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jupiter in fiction

Created by Lightburst (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by Lightburst (talk) at 16:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - partially
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article is new enough, and has 1509 characters so just squeaks in on length, according to DYK check. Copyvio is fine (10% but based on the usage of the phrase itself). Sources appear to be reliable although I could not check the "Private theatrical" source as the clip image does not appear for some reason. The hook fact is sourced to a published book from 1749, where the phrase does indeed appear. Is there any source to confirm that this is the first known usage of the phrase, though? I see the Free Dictionary cites one source as saying John Cleland is first in 1749, but another source as saying that "it appears in an eighteenth-century play by James Cobb and in Fanny Hill (1759)" but doesn't give a date for Cobb's play. I don't find the hook fact uninteresting, as I would have thought this phrase would be much older, but I would suggest that the context of the first usage of the phrase might make for a more interesting hook? DrThneed (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@DrThneed: Thanks for the review. I am not sure I can readily think of another hook. Regarding the play, our article says first published was Cleland in 1749. Lightburst (talk) 01:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lightburst: Your article contains the statement "The first known publication of the phrase was in 1749" and the source for that sentence is the publication itself. What you need is a source that says "this was the first published use of the phrase", right? In terms of the hook, I was alluding to the fact this phrase is of a nautical origin but its first use is in erotica.DrThneed (talk) 05:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am rather new in the dyk world so I may have to reach out for help or put my thinking cap on to come up with a new hook. I will also need to seek out a secondary source for the 1749 claim. Lightburst (talk) 11:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@DrThneed: I added references which corroborate the first known publication. I also added elements of the new hook to the article i.e. nautical and erotic novel.I think your idea for the hook was a good one.

• ALT1: ... that Any port in a storm is a proverb with a nautical theme but the first known publication of the phrase was in a 1749 erotic novel?

Any solution, however unappealing, is acceptable in times of trouble. This originated as a nautical phrase.The first known publication of the phrase was in 1749: John Cleland Fanny Hill: Memoirs Of A Woman Of Pleasure. The phrase, "Pooh!", says he "my dear, any port in a storm." Lightburst (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

That's great, @Lightburst:, I'm happy with the sources, and I like your ALT1 (I suspect that'll get you a few more clicks than the first!). Thanks. DrThneed (talk) 06:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)