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According to sources Candreva is an Arbëreshë surname used only by Albanian community. This was accepted by editors until user Qed 237 came in. It is sourced. Don't say it's not him, cause it's his hole family. Oh and it's a sourced theory.Betterday123098 (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll end the discussion cause I founded enough sources that prove his family origin. According to this new source, there are 79 Candreva peoples today all of Arbëreshë origin from the Albanian community of Spezzano Albanese.Betterday123098 (talk) 18:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just because people have a certain name does not mean he comes from a special place just as explained in edit summaries. Please listen to comments to others before ending a discussion. QED237 (talk) 11:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to the sources is a surname used only by the Arbëreshë community. It's one of the mos common arbereshe surnames. They came in Calabria in 1498.Betterday123098 (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Qed237, for the same reasons: saying that a certain name is only used by people of Arbëreshë origins (and your sources never state it's used ONLY by Arbëreshë, they just say it's a last name of Albanian origin) is not enough to state that one who has that name is of Arbëreshë himself (what if some ancestor changed his last name for whatever reason?). We would need confirmation from Candreva himself, or some truly reliable source, not an article that most probably took its info from Wikipedia. After checking the history, I also wanted to point out that the user that keeps inserting this unverified info is most probably the same user who has been blocked many times in the past for using multiple accounts for the same purpose of tryin to baselessly prove someone's Albanian origins, as can be seen here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.46.153.125 (talk) 18:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't have better a source so let's keep it like this.Credot (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the source was taken by wikipedia then it would be mentioned there and as Albanian I confirm you that Telegraf is the most reliable sport source after Supersport Digitalb here in Albania. In history it appears that other users have accepted this source. Tastegash (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Qed237, I think Tastegash may be using multiple accounts with Credot. This is a hunch because they both have similar explanations for the source they use and always insist the source is reliable and continue to add it. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaselineeeeeeee: An admin has blocked both accounts as sockpuppets of Biar122, same sockmaster also responsible for Betterday123098 that started this thread. Qed237 (talk) 01:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are 6 sources in Albanian and italian, reliable sources also with pictures, I don't get if you can't read at least see the pictures. The surname is clearly arbereshe, visited the arbereshe village, bunch of sources about his origin what do you want more.77.29.165.40 (talk) 12:24, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He does have a point @Qed237:. I've looked at the sources and they do seem to be legitimate. I would not oppose if on his article it said he was Arbereshe, as it truly does seem he is. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 14:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just because he has a certain surname does not mean he is Albanian. Qed237 (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Qed237: But look at all the sources he listed. They do not just talk about his surname, they talk about his family being born in that Albanian region of Cozensa in Italy etc. It sounds legitimate, it goes more in depth than just his surname if you actually take the time to read it. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it's okay with you I will add it in the page if you don't agree with it please delete it. Thank you for your support cause that's very important for a learning editor.77.29.165.40 (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is okay with me. There will always be other users that disagree, but the majority as been established here. Qed237 is out numbered. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 16:43, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi I made an edit here regarding the article. The article in italian says this: il campione nazionale Antonio Candreva, originario della piccola comunità arbëreshe del Tirreno Cosentino per via di suo nonno Antonio Candreva che qui nacque. which means that it says his grandfather was born there. it does not say anything about the rest of his family, at least not from what i found. This is what I put it in the article, the current edit says something different: it says he is of albereshe origin and that his father is from there. this is very different, and not what the italian says. Walnut77 (talk) 04:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you are right, nonno in Italian means grandfather. Just changed it from father to grandfather. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 04:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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