Talk:Anthony J. Resta

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These are all real references and information compiled for the article on Anthony J. Resta i have permission from the author Dan Beral to reprint this info. there is no copyright infringement here. I am a huge fan, and have nearly 60 recordings of his work. He just produced the theme for american idol! how could someone deleted him for being non-relevant and its simply not true. Just Google "Anthony J. Resta" you will see his relevance.

thanks for being fair here.

Phil Blaylock

• You're welcome. It's looking better already. Good luck with the expansion and welcome aboard! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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More sources can be found at the abandoned user sandbox draft User talk:Doc2234/Anthony J. Resta. – Fayenatic London 12:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

The sandbox is that of a connected contributor and should not be used. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Restore revision 1250112410 as of 8 October 2024

Many past contributors to the article appear to have close connection with the subject, resulting in the article being full of unverified and/or made up content. In August 2024, I have attempted to re-write the article, but my edits were falsely labeled as "promotional" and reverted back to the original revision, which fails both WP:ONUS and the general MOS policy. I advise that my changes be restored and the rest of unverified content be either re-written or, if necessary, completely removed. 8086-PC (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

You wholesale copied content from the sandbox of a single purpose promotional account into the article. All of that was removed some time ago, so re-adding it harmed the article rather than improving it. You seem to have missed the part of WP:ONUS that says "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content". I am opposed to content written by the article subject or single purpose accounts being re-added and the eccessive detail about every single thing the article subject has ever done in his life, whether it is noteworthy or not. Additionally, many of the presented references are not reliable. Please seek to gain consensus before re-adding this content. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, what is your connection to Doc54625 (talk · contribs)? I note a very similar method of communication between that account and yours as well as a strong interest in this article about Anthony Resta. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 17:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

First of all, you were the one who copied the content from the Anthony J. Resta discography page, which was created by the promotional account, with adding that you "will work on incorporating", which didn't happen, so I'd like you to stop accusing me of something I didn't do.

Secondly, I have never been in contact with said user. I have been editing music articles on Wikipedia for some time already. I listen to Duran Duran as well, so I obviously heard about Resta and stumbled upon this article. I'm sorry if I come off as rude or arrogant, but if the fact that I'm interested in the same or similar artists as another user makes me an impersonator or in any other way related to the user, then I'm sorry, but you apparently have a somewhat distorted view of world. 8086-PC (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The discography was merged as a result of a discussion Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anthony_J._Resta_discography. You say you've been editing a long time but you're displaying an odd lack of familiarity with guidelines and basic functions on Wikipedia. Some points to consider:

- How does the current version "fail WP:ONUS and MOS policy"?

- Did you verify any of the content you COPIED from the sandbox of a connected contributor? Because two of the references do not say what the content of your preferred version says. The source used to cite Resta, along with engineer Karyadi Sutedja, operates a 4,000-square-foot (370 m²) recording facility in Chelmsford, Massachusetts, called Bopnique Musique makes no mention whatsoever of Karyadi Sutedja or Chelmsford Massachussetts. Additionally, the source used to cite In 2010, Resta joined a collaborative project with composer and musician Eric Alexandrakis, Warren Cuccurullo, and Steve Ferrone, called Electrons. makes no mention of the band name "Electrons" or that is was formed in 2010. So either you didn't perform basic verfication before restoring disputed content or you know much more about Resta than you're admitting. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I apologise and admit that the failed verifications of Sutedja and Electrons are my fault. Sutedja's name was taken from the Pure Sonic Alchemy website, while the Electrons name was supposedly mentioned in a Modern Drummer article, which I couldn't find anywhere anymore. How does the article fail MOS? Bad discography table formatting and typographical issues, which I have fixed in my edits (current vs mine). Those formatting issues weren't harming the page in any way. If your mention of WP:ONUS was adressed towards the contributions list (which contains lots of info with no verification), then the page still fails it, as I have worked on the first half of the albums list and tried to remove entries I couldn't find anything about, be it liner notes or other information, and tried to source them by using the {{cite AV media notes}} template. These entries were brought back by your reversion.

Now, this is not directed personally towards you, but I find that some users, instead of removing the problematic sections, just revert previous users edits as a whole, without actually looking at the full changes and retaining the technical fixes made. 8086-PC (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

"The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content". The only dispute is the content you tried to re-add, which I removed previously. If you feel the discography needs changes then please make the changes you feel necessary, I am not disputing that at all, but please make them without re-adding all the other unverified and poorly sourced content.

I will also say this: The article is a WP:BLP and so it requires excellent sources. Pure Sonic Alchemy is just Resta's own website, therefore a primary source and unacceptable for a BLP. The other sources also have issues: the one used to note his contribution to Duran Duran is sourced to an alumni publication, which is not a very good source for a BLP, though it "may" be considered reliable. The source citing his contribution to Shawn Mullins purports to be from Australian Musician but is linked instead to Adrian Pertout's personal website, which is an unacceptable conflation of sourcing... A source cannot be cited to a magazine when it is not linked to the original article on magazine's site. The source on the note about association with Collective Soul is cited to an interview in Modern Drummer, which may or may not be an acceptable source as interviews are typically considered primary sources. His association with New Collisions is cited to an interview in the Boston Globe which has a similar issue to the Modern Drummer source.

To be honest, I'm not even sure the article would pass WP:NMUSIC at AfD due to the lack of quality sources that cover the subject in detail rather than just mentioning him in passing. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I've been too considering whether to nominate it for AfD, after reading your points above.

I'd like to apologise if I offended you in one way or another, especially by the 'distorted view of world' bit. I've been venting out my frustration from real life and went too far, again. I have to admit that I was a bit lazy and didn't care about proper verification of the article as a whole, as I focused on the discography part more than I should have. 8086-PC (talk) 18:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

No offense taken. If you would like to expand the article I don't think anyone has an issue with that. The original problem lies in the quality of sources and the language that was there before. It just needs to be written in your own words and good quality third-party sources cited. I admit to knowing next to nothing about Anthony Resta... record producers and engineers rarely receive the kind of coverage afforded to Alan Parsons, Steve Albini and George Martin. So if he's really notable then maybe industry publications have more detail? I don't know. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)