Talk:Anne's Song

Anne's Song was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
May 8, 2020	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 16, 2020.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the music video for Faith No More's "Anne's Song" features a caged Chuck Mosley being tormented by Metallica's James Hetfield?

Release and reception

@Grapple X: I enjoyed reading this (and checking out the video as a result), but it's rather light on references to say the least. Of particular concern to me is the "Release and reception" section - all 3 reviews you cite are retrospective. Surely the music press reviewed the single at the time? Was the single a domestic release only or international? (the article doesn't seem to say). Besides US media, if it had a UK release I'd be surprised if at least one of the UK music papers and magazines didn't review it - Faith No More were pretty popular in the alternative scene over here. --kingboyk (talk) 05:06, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They got to be a lot more popular but the single didn't chart in the UK or US, so had no attention paid to it at the time that I can find--it only passes GNG on the back of the retrospective attention. I believe the single was released in both markets but again, no source I could find was able to verify this. Unfortunately this is as comprehensive as I've been able to get. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 11:59, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. It's really hard finding sources about left-field music which was pre-web. We need a benefactor to establish a research library for popular music, stocked with back copies of all the major music press publications. I volunteer to be the first employee! :) --kingboyk (talk) 21:54, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Anne's Song/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 23:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Needs alt
Add the formats here as well.

Done

Lead

Fine

Production

The recordings were produced by Matt Wallace, who had worked with the band on their 1985 début album We Care a Lot, and the earlier Faith. No Man single ""Quiet in Heaven"/"Song of Liberty", and by Slash Records' Steve Berlin → The recordings were produced by Matt Wallace and by Slash Records' Steve Berlin, the former worked with the band on their 1985 début album We Care a Lot, and the earlier Faith. No Man single ""Quiet in Heaven"/"Song of Liberty".
Tweaked. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception

In a Faith No More retrospective → In a Faith No More discography retrospective
Changed. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

Source? Was this a CD single, vynil?
Add it to the release history as well and create such section.
I genuinely don't have any more sources than this. I know, but can't verify that the only release was on vinyl record, but as it didn't chart and is only notable in hindsight due to retrospective sources, there's not a lot to use to verify things like this. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You claim in the article it was released in vynil and CD single and now you don't know? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of a CD release in the article. The Chirazi book mentions the vinyl versions but there's no specifics on whether they had different track listings or were just released as difference sized records. The track lengths match the CD releases of the albums they also appear on. I can find user-generated—that is, unreliable—sources which show the same track listing across all three versions, but in the absence of a reliable secondary source then we have to let the source be the subject itself. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 18:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean discogs you can use if there is an ID number along as the backcover states the songs. I also left you a mention on the Personnel. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTRSMUSIC says to avoid using Discogs. As the track list is evident on the release itself it shouldn't really require an additional source (like, for example, an article on a book wouldn't need a citation to demonstrate its table of contents; it is considered a source for itself). Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 18:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It also says "Album jackets should be sourced directly using the Cite AV media notes template." I need to know if this track list was in Vynil. That's not the subject, the subject its the song itself not if it was release on Vynil, that needs a source. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the need for this and find it wholly reduplicative--no music-related article I've put through WP:GA has required a circular citation for the track listing of the release being discussed; even articles at WP:FAC have not required this. It should not be necessary to cite the subject of an article in the article—I could understand if there were different releases that needed additional clarification, but this is self-evidently verifiable. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 18:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about "Anne's Song", the tracklist mentions that song and another one. I need to know where this information came from. Tell me then how do you verify this? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel

Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel.
Added. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also add a source to it.
As above, this is taken from the release itself. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 18:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I still need a source for this, nontheless. I mean where did you read this from? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

Fine

References

Fine

Overall

You can now adress the issues I raised. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review; I have addressed your concerns above. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grapple X: I will take a look a this tomorow. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Something that also strikes me is the release date as you have one for the music video, and the album has it as "May 18, 1988". So which one? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grapple X: Seven days to address the rest of the issues, if not it will fail. I have been patient enough. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MarioSoulTruthFan, Grapple X hasn't edited on Wikiepdia since April 7, so they may not have seen your comments. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have, or that you shouldn't fail the nomination in seven days if they don't respond by then. Thanks for taking this on. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: It will be a month by then, but sure I will give it until the end of May, when the backlong ends. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MarioSoulTruthFan, I think closing it on May 7 or 8 would allow for a long enough hold; no need to wait until May 31! I appreciate your flexibility. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: I was going to do that in the first place, 7 days after 30 of April is the 7th of May, I can hold on one more day. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More than enough time was given the nominator to answer my concerns, I'm going ahead and fail it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]