Talk:Annam (French protectorate)

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Parts of this page include racial slurs, such as the use of "ugliest", probably due to the fact that the reference was from a book almost 100 years ago.

In addition, what are the differences between Annam and Vietnam, between Annamese and Vietnamese (people and language)?

4truth 01:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I have looked at several discriptions of Annam, Tonkin, Cochin China and Vietnam, but none of them shows any maps, which really would clarify what there is being talked about.

Assessment

This article consists of too many fractious sections - as if it were completely separate articles glued together. Instead of writing "The remainder of this article is largely based on the 1911 EB and is really only accurate as a description of the French colony circa 1890," remove all the material that is not relevant or not appropriate. Be bold!LordAmeth 14:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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Removed this stuff as not strictly relevant to French colony of Annam but to Vietnamese history more generally (from a 1991 EB POV).

The Annamese village is self-governing. It has its council of notables, forming a sort of oligarchy which, through the medium of a mayor and two subordinates, directs the interior affairs of the community--policing, recruiting, the assignment and collection of taxes, &c.--and has judicial power in less important suits and crimes. More serious cases come within the purview of the an sat, a judicial auxiliary of the governor. An assembly of notables from villages grouped together in a canton chooses a cantonal representative, who is the mouthpiece of the people and the intermediary between the government and its subjects. The direct taxes, which go to the local budget of Annam, consist primarily of a poll-tax levied on all males over eighteen and below sixty years of age, and of a land-tax levied according to the quality and the produce of the holding.

Education was available to every person in the community. The primary school, in which the pupils learnt only Chinese writing and the precepts of Confucius, stoods at the base of this system. Next above this was the school of the district capital, where a half-yearly examination takes place, by means of which are selected those eligible for the course of higher education given at the capital of the province in a school under the direction of a doc hoc, or inspector of studies. Finally a great triennial competition decides the elections. The candidate whose work is notified as très bien is admitted to the examinations at Huế, which qualify for the title of doctor and the holding of administrative offices. The education of a mandarin includes local history, cognizance of the administrative rites, customs, laws and prescriptions of the country, the ethics of Confucius, the rules of good breeding, the ceremonial of official and social life, and the practical acquirements necessary to the conduct of public or private business. Annamese learning goes no farther. It includes no scientific idea, no knowledge of the natural sciences, and neglects even the most rudimentary instruction conveyed in a European education. The complications of Chinese writing greatly hamper education. The Annamese Mandarin must be acquainted with Chinese, since he writes in Chinese characters. But the character being ideographic, the words which express them are dissimilar in the two languages, and official text is read in Chinese by a Chinese, in Annamese by an Annamese.

The chief towns of Annam are Huế (seat both of the French and native governments), Tourane, Phan Thiết in the extreme south, Qui Nhon, and Fai Fo (a commercial centre to the south of Tourane). A road popularly known as the "Mandarin Road" follows the coast from Cochin China to Tongking, and passes through or near the chief towns of the provinces. This forms the main artery of communication in the country apart from the railways (see French Indo-China).

Does anyone know how long Annam existed for? Also, my great-grandfather was educated in Tourane at a French school during this period. There must have been a few of these institutions during that time for the privilege..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.43.148 (talk) 14:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC) 

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Shouldn't this article be moved to "Annam (French protectorate)" as it wasn't a colony but really a protectorate. Also according to the State of Vietnam page Annam was joined with Tonkin and Cochinchina to form said state in 1949, which contradict this article which states that it remained a French colony until 1954, both can’t be right. Carl Logan (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

This could be a good idea. "Colony" is loosely what Annam was under the French. "Protectorate" was the official designation. The territory known as Annam remained under French colonial rule till 1954 - again the wording is rather loose. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mit"

How is the Vietnamese slang term "mit" (short for the French "Annamites") spelled? Badagnani (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Date seems wrong

I think the 1955 end date is wrong : 1948 should be used instead, as Annam was reunited with Tonkin in Cochinchina under the Central provisional government of Vietnam; it then formed the State of Vietnam the following year, as an associated state of the French Union. So it cannot be considered to have remained an independent protectorate until 1955. French colonial rule did continue until 1954 (not 1955) but in 1955 the State of Vietnam was already fully independent. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

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House of People's Representatives as a "legislative body"

Having read the literature I would like to add that the Annamese House of People's Representatives was never a legislative body, even de jure. In Annam and Tonkin the Emperor of the Nguyễn dynasty served as the legislature and all laws in Annam and Tonkin were passed either by decree of the Governor-General of French Indo-China or the Emperor of the Nguyễn Dynasty. Usually a law would be enacted by the President of France by decree, then the Governor-General, and then the Emperor would decree it to enact it locally and assign their respective governments to execute the orders.

Both the Consultative Assembly and the House of People's Representatives were very explicitly advisory bodies without any legal power. --Donald Trung (talk) 07:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)