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Sales

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This page is the most unfounded Ι have ever seen. Anna Vissi has sold in total 1,667,000 copies according to the DVD of Petros Dragoumanos which take its sources from IFPI. There is no source about this 9,500,000 sales that refered in this article. Also, Kravgi is not the best album of 2000s is the second best selling album of 2000s after Vandi's album Gia. According to DVD of Petros Dragoumanos, «Οδηγός Ελληνικής Δισκογραφίας», which takes its sources from IFPI Gia sales 400,000 copies and Kravgi 350,000 copies [1]. Also Kravgi is the 8th best selling album from 1985 until today, as Dragoumanos informed from IFPI and is not one of the ten best selling albums of all time in Greece. Finally, according with the article of the official club of Anna Vissi, fannatics, named timeline which take its sources from the same Anna Vissi the awards about her albums is:


As Kanoume Apopse Mian Arhi:- Kitrino Galazio: Platinum (100,000 sales) Nai: - Anna Vissi (album): - Eimai To Simera Kai Eisai To Chthes:- Na 'Hes Kardia:- Kati Simveni: Gold (50,000 sales) I Epomeni Kinisi: Platinum (100,000 sales) Tora: Gold (50,000 sales) Empnefsi!: Gold (50,000 sales) Fotia: Platinum (100,000 sales) Eimai: Gold (30,000 sales) Emeis: - Lambo: Gold (30,000 sales) Daimones:- Live!: - "Τα πρώτα μου τραγούδια":- "Ode to the Gods":- Re!: Gold (30,000 sales) O! Kypros:- Klima Tropiko: 2x Platinum (120,000 sales) Travma: 3x Platinum (150,000 sales) Antidoto: 2x Platinum (100,000 sales) Everything I am (CD single): Platinum (25,000 sales) Everything I am (cd): Gold (25,000 sales) Agapi Ipervoliki(maxi single): 4x Platinum (100,000 sales) Kravgi: 7x Platinum (175,000 sales - 350,000 double sales) Mala - I Mousiki Tou Anemou (cd single): Gold (12,500 sales) Mala - I Mousiki Tou Anemou (cd): Platinum (25,000 sales - 50,000 double sales) Χ: 2x Platinum (80,000 sales) 17/6/2003 Anna Vissi - The Remixes (cd single): - Paraksenes Eikones: 2x Platinum (80,000 sales) Remixes 2004 (cd single): - Live(cd): Platinum (40,000 sales) Live (DVD): Gold (6,000 sales) Call me (cd single): Gold (10,000 sales) Everything: Gold (7,500 sales) Nylon: Platinum (40,000 sales) Apagorevmeno: 2x Platinum (24,000 sales)

These awards are official and you should put them to the article. --Teo628957 comment added by Teo628957 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There were two different outside sources confirming 9.5 million albums; I'm not sure where those references went. As for this DVD, keep in mind that every single certification show, dvd, announcement, etc says something different. If IFPI is the source of the information, then they are telling everyone different numbers. Unless IFPI gets with the program and offers a website where people can actually search album chart histories and sales, we will remain in the dark as to how many albums have been sold. That being said, certifications are usually quite accurate from a variety of sources. I feel that sales from anyone right now are not that reliable and don't really mean much. I mean every figure from above is rounded and based on the thresholds of the certifications. Not to mention IFPI does not track foreign sales of Vissi material. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As IFPI is the only source of information and not mention the foreign sales of Anna Vissi how can you know these sales without sources. So you tell me that these sales are fake because I can't see any proof about the sales. Anna Vissi has released in foreign countries limited number of albums and no one manage to distinguished with an award except from Kravgi which become Gold in Turkey and I'm not sure about that. So the official sales of Anna Vissi in foreign are 100,000 copies. Also, you refer that the album Re became 2x platinum in Turkey in 1994 but the specific period in Turkey there wasn't awards for the cds. I can't understand how without sources you write about these awards.

Teo628957 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.141.70 (talk) 17:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, who says that I wrote all of these sales figures? Random people come on all the time and change them, so don't blame me. As for your DVD, they used figures from IFPI, but IFPI did not endorse the program for its correctness. IFPI does not publish a database or anything for people to use to check up on these figures so I wouldn't be surprised if his figures are word of mouth: "I remember IFPI saying....", etc. And don't think that he could have emailed or asked IFPI because IFPI will not respond to emails, ever! I've sent probably a total of ten emails asking for clarification over the past year to the Greek office, the international office, etc to no avail. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even if you don't write all these fake things, you don't do something to change this. You could do this but you choose to inform everyone who see this article with fake and unfounded things. And this fact harm Wikipedia which try to do her work with clear sources. As a part of Wikipedia you should do something to get better this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.107.121 (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I'm not a paid employee. It is not my job to come here everyday and change things back after someone watches a video that contradicts another video with the same IFPI source. I edit when I get the chance and edit what I want. You have the same opportunity to edit as I do. If you see something is wrong, fix it, but fix it in keeping with wikipedia guidelines regarding what is and isn't a proper source. Also consider reading up on how to format articles, etc. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then, sorry, because I thought that you was. I have seen some wrong things in this article but I can't change them with another sourceful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.107.121 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=2&artid=4555092&ct=4

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I will notify them all of this action. Camaron · Christopher · talk 11:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The primary aim of the protection, to stop the edit warring, has been achieved. However there has been little activity since the protection, with two out of the four listed parties now inactive. It is unclear if this has anything to do with the protection. There does seem little benefit in leaving the articles protected until the given expiry, so hence I have decided to unprotect them all immediately. However, I am concerned that this will just result in the edit war resuming. To avoid this I am making clear that I am willing to use the blocking tool to any editor which edit wars with other editors, per Wikipedia:Edit warring#Administrator guidance, with no further warnings. In addition to the three-revert rule, I will consider the following to be edit warring:

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I will re-notify the listed parties above. Camaron · Christopher · talk 12:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is perhaps time to leave a note here stating that the above still applies, since the edit warring seems to be building up again. The edit summary is primarily to note the changes that have been made, not for discussion. I would rather not have to start protecting articles again, or blocking editors over this. I have already protected Anna Vissi since that article is particularly bad. CT Cooper · talk 21:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of sales column

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A user has been repeatedly adding the domestic and international sales for Anna Vissi's albums. As has been discussed previously (above), without a source no such sales figures should be added. In addition, adding the worldwide sales is a new aspect it seems and there are even fewer sources available for that. I could live with Greek sales based upon certification thresholds if properly noted, however, there are sourcing issues with the certifications themselves that would make such a compromise unworkable. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This needs to stop. Please stop changing the sales, and do not add "worldwide" sales for example without valid sources. Greekboy (talk) 06:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

X: 2x Platinum

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IFPI Greek Archives

X was certified 2x Platinum by 2004, according to IFPI.

Shipments: 80,000

--Elias1992 (talk) 09:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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