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Merge with Ankara railway station

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge, at least while the current lease holds. Klbrain (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ankara Tren Garı is a part of the old Ankara railway station and therefore, for the sake of better organization and to avoid an unnecessary article, should be kept as a single article. The new station was built on the former platforms used for commuter rail service, which were a part of the regular Ankara station. (Central Data Bank (talk) 23:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Oppose:Although they are in the same city, they are different stations serving to different lines. (For example, you can't catch an İzmir train in YHT station and you can't catch a İstanbul YHT in Ankara Railway station.) This is just like İzmir Alsancak Terminal and İzmir Basmane Terminal. You've contributed a lot to each of these two articles and still you haven't proposed merging the two. So why are you trying to merge the YHT to Ankara railway station ? Besides they are run by different authorities. Ankara Railway Station is a classical train station run by the government where the YHT station is a privately owned complex of a mall, a hotel and a station. No they are not mergable. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NB:Also I think this merging tag is misplaced. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected the tags. Operator873^CONNECT 04:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Basmane and Alsancak are two separate train stations located in separate neighborhoods. Ankara Tren Gari and the old Ankara station are the same station. The new station was built on the grounds of Ankara railway station. The only difference is that they are two sections of the same station. A good example to this would be New York Penn Station, it has three different sections (concourses) for three different railway companies but the station is still one station. (Central Data Bank (talk) 11:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

On a map you can see them close to each other . But There is no access from one to other. You have to drive at least 1250 m to reach one from the other. They don't share the same tracks and the platforms. More important that YHT building is actually a mall with 217 shops and a hotel with 134 rooms. Only a portion has been allocated to train services. Thus the article is about the AGT mall and The Ankara Hotel as well as the YHT station.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into it further and it seems you are correct. Therefore I will withdraw my merger proposition. However, I do think the name should be changed to Ankara Tren Garı, as that is how it is branded. (Central Data Bank (talk) 11:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Support: I don't agree with what have been said, espacially Nedim's claims. They aren't truly two different stations. The YHT part is like a modern extension of the old Ankara station, even if only YHTs depart/arrive from the new platforms. But when you look at the platform numbering, the YHT platforms are numbered 4, 5 and 6 showing that the platform numbering is complementary. As the re-construction works of Sincan-Kayaş line wasn't ongoing according to the initial schedule, the connexion bridge to the old station wasn't constructed at the opening of the YHT platforms. Therefore you had to drive long to get to the other side of the railway tracks. But now the bridge is in place and the old 'classical' platforms are being reconstructed and will be numbered 1, 2 and 3. The situation is completely different from İzmir's stations. I also personally think that there are political reasons for different namings by some ministers, but I don't want to get too much in that. Nezo90 (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion has already been concluded and the proposer witdrew the merger proposal. They are two different stations. One serves for the classical lines and the other for the YHT lines. Besides unlike the former station the YHT station is actually a mall operated by a private company. The railway station consists only a samll part of the big building . There is also a 5 star hotel in the mall. How can you merge this to a classical government-controled station ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does the presence of a hotel and shops makes it an other place than where just nearby railway platforms are ? And don't forget that the property still belongs to TCDD, ATG is just operating it. Anyway. Nezo90 (talk) 20:22, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Even though I agree that the two should be merged, it doesn't matter for me if they remain separate. Since ATG is operated and owned by a private company, I suppose it can be considered a different station. This isn't something objective in my opinion. It is something that varies according to one's own opinion. That is the reason I withdrew my merger proposal. Perhaps after the lease is up and the station given to the State Railways, then it should be merged for sure. But until that time, if it remains separate, I think that is fine too. (Central Data Bank (talk) 00:11, 31 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moving the title

The title has been moved from Ankara YHT station to Ankara Tren Garı. Not a very important point. But maybe the author would like to explain the rationale. In WP, all railway stations in Turkey (most of which were created by the same author) are titled "railway station". Official names in Turkish are "tren garı" . But since this is an English encyclopaedia and the phrase "railway station" doesn't contain a proper noun, it should be translated as railway station or train station. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The station's official name is branded as Ankara Tren Garı, that is why I moved the page. The name is "train station" as a direct translation of the turkish as well as not to confuse it with the 1937 station. (Central Data Bank (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

There is no need for two article since it's the same Station. --Ex13 (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]