Talk:Angus MacDonald (Liberal Democrat politician)

Requested move 6 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Angus MacDonald (Liberal Democrat politician) → Angus MacDonald (MP) – Simpler disambiguation. An article was created with this name by @Fixer88: prior to this article before being redirected. This type of disambiguation is commonly used see Jim Fairlie (MSP), John Scott (MSP), John Cork (MP), John Goodman (MP), etc. Sahaib (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Angus MacDonald (Scottish politician) (currently a double redirect) - per WP:NCPDAB. Politician is clearer particularly when he is also currently a councillor. Scottish is required to disambiguate from the Canadian politician (I don't know if the Canadian is the primary topic or not so that may require further discussion). (see below) Those pages see to be outliers but do highlight the inconsistency in article names for politicians. Most disambiguation at Category:Scottish National Party MSPs, Category:21st-century Scottish politicians, Category:Conservative MSPs, Category:20th-century Scottish politicians etc use politician or descriptor politician as disambiguation. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
• Move to Angus MacDonald (currently as DAB page). I rather see the base name moved to Angus Macdonald (disambiguation), due to my suspicion that this article is actually a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If the pageviews didn't sufficient, the alternative option would be as Angus MacDonald (Scottish politician) in order to disambiguate from its Canadian counterpart, which is not sure whether he also claim to be primary topic. 2404:8000:1037:178:6846:2832:E7EC:82C6 (talk) 10:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
• Move both! to Angus McDonald (Canada) and to Angus MacDonald (UK). The name is the confusion: very few people are likely to be interested in both. Canadians - or possibly outsiders - interested in local history or political history, will be seeking the first. The second, the Scot, is now a UK national politician (the House of Commons in Westminster, not Holyrood or the Highlands Council), so interest is likely to derive from things he says or does, picked up the UK national media - or world media. Both were Politicians and both were actually an MP! One died about a century ago, whilst the other has now gained a national voice (his party is now greatly reduced, so he is likely to be more involved in debates and committees, etc., than if elected in a by-election a week before...). "MP" is still ambiguous, whilst both "Liberal Democrat politician" and "Scottish politician" are rather long (even leaving aside the view that he is now a UK politician, who is from Scotland...). "UK" is also just two letters, but still sorts the name ambiguity and the MP ambiguity. Discuss?

Protozoon (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:NCPDAB: The disambiguator is usually a noun indicating what the person is noted for being in their own right. In most cases, these nouns are standard, commonly used tags such as "(musician)" and "(politician)". I have no opinion on whether or not the Canadian should move but I'd be opposed to this move on that basis. If Scottish is the sticky point, happy to listen to alternatives (the next choice is usually by party though). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Using a country is not how we disambiguate people and he's not the only Angus MacDonald from the UK anyway. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move This appears to be a fairly common name, so I would question if there is a primary topic. This appears to be the least problematic disambiguator. We can't use terms like "Scottish politician" since we already have an SNP MSP of this name. Looking at the category of MPs for this parliament and the previous one, usually "politician" is just used as a disambiguator, but if necessary terms like "Labour politician" are more common than "MP". PatGallacher (talk) 18:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I did not know about the SNP politician so I agree and oppose move. I note that the SNP politician has been moved multiple times today, his article probably should have been included in this discussion rather than being moved without discussion. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Standard disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• oppose there are several MPs listed at Angus Macdonald, not just this one, not even adding the one from Scotland, there are many more -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 10:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Member of Parliament"

I'm curious as to why the subject being described as a Member of Parliament, when, at the time of writing, a declaration of the result for Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire has not yet been made? I'm aware that the SNP candidate has publicly conceded defeat, and that some, though not all, media outlets are already including this seat in the Lib Dem totals for the general election. However, it's simply not correct to state that the subject is now an elected MP when no declaration of result has yet been made. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. This article should be changed to say that he is not an MP (yet), even if the SNP have conceded. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

We do now have the result, he is in. PatGallacher (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@PatGallacher: Yep, all good now. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)