Talk:Angelo Damiano

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Still alive

According to this [1], Damiano is still alive. --Nicola54 (talk) 21:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The following discussion copied from User talk:Canadian Paul#Angelo Damiano for future reference. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Canadian Paul; through MerlBot's list of articles for people which are categorised as deceased in other Wikipedia language versions in the German-language Wikipedia I came across Angelo Damiano where you added a "date of death per new reference". Well, surely I'm missing something obvious, but I can't find the "new reference" and no date of death in the two references given...? Gestumblindi (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I've now had a look at the talk page for Angelo Damiano in the German Wikipedia and people there are saying that the death date of November 17, 1999 is wrong; that, in fact, Angelo Damiano is still alive and that there are reports about various activities by him (as per 2011, according to Nicola). The erroneous DOD seems to come from a mistake in a German website...? I haven't looked deeper into this, but to be on the safe side, I'm going to remove the DOD here for the time being. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it would be, among the hundreds of Olympians that I update, that the one I forget to actually attach the reference has the problem. The missing sources for his DOD are Sports Reference, Memoire du cyclisme, and Sport Olimpico (in Italian) (year only). As for the talk page on the German Wikipedia, unless there's a source for the claims or an OTRS submission, I'm not sure that we should be removing sourceable material based on talk page comments. After all, we wouldn't add a death date just because someone on the talk page claims the person has died (even if it's likely to be true), so we shouldn't take a sourced one away either. Canadian Paul 17:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, well-known user Nicola on the German talk page seems to refer to articles published in 2011, "mehrere Berichte über einen quicklebendigen und sehr umtriebigen Damiano" ("several accounts of a very much living and very active Damiano"). I presume that she means the links she added to the article as inline citations then - sadly, these two links are not working anymore (redirecting to a generic page). Of course you are right - if we don't find currently accessible sources contradicting the sources for November 17, 1999 as DOD, we can assume that he died then. I'm going to ask Nicola if she's able to find more material resp. to replace the links. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I'll assume good faith and hold off on adding any death information back until more is known. Canadian Paul 17:32, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've now asked for more/current information on her talk page in German WP. Nicola is an experienced editor in the area of bicycle racing (active in the German cycling portal), so I don't think she would randomly and falsely claim a deceased cyclist living, couldn't see the point of it... This November 17, 1999 DOD might well be an error that managed to spread across several websites / databases from a bad source. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Paul, Sports-Reference, which is mostly a very trustable source, says AD died in 1999, and of course people refer to that. But I found a lot of sites in Italian, on which AD is very "present" in the last years, until May 2013:

[2], [3]

[8] Cordially, --Nicola54 (talk) 18:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message Nicola54! I'll forward these on to the database behind Sports Reference and have the date of death removed from their page. Canadian Paul 18:39, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you. As the apparent 1999 DOD error probably will persevere on various web pages even if the Sports Reference database removes it, what would you think of an addition like this, to prevent confusion in the future? "Angelo Damiano often appears as a guest at Italian cycling events. Web sources reporting his death in 1999 appear to be in error" (giving some of Nicola's links as references). Gestumblindi (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul. I contacted Sports Reference in the meantime aswell :) And I asked somebody from the Italian Federation and he promised me to check it, too. --Nicola54 (talk) 19:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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