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Illyrians

Do you have something against the sources to describe them as "dubious"? One is literally in Greek. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "Ceka"? When was that book published? The claim is very bold. Only Greeks were allowed to participate [1]. The only non-Greeks that were ever allowed to participate were Roman emperors, you should know that. Khirurg (talk) 03:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know who Neritan Ceka is? He studied at the University of Tirana and became an archaeologist (like his father, Hasan Ceka, a prominent Albanian archeologist). His work mainly focuses on the Illyrians and Greeks in classical and Hellenistic times as well as Roman provincial archaeology. He was a professor at the University of Tirana and from 1985 to 1990 he was head of the architecture department at the archaeological institute which he headed as director from 1990 to 1993. He is also a corresponding member of the German Archaeological Institute.

Neritan Ceka is the son of Hasan Ceka, one of the fathers of Albanian archaeology. [1]

If you still disagree we could use "According to" and so on. AlexBachmann (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does sound extraordinarily dubious; is this actually what the book says? Furius (talk) 18:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Look at that: [1] That's not the book itself but an author that cites them. AlexBachmann (talk) 18:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of Ceka's work has been criticized as "national archeology" [2]. The claim is indeed extraordinary and requires very strong sourcing, which this isn't. Khirurg (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page please, I'm not finding anything. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The same author is literally citing him in his works. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic games participation was strongly prohibited for non-Greeks even partial non-Greeks. Historiography does not mention any case of a partial Illyrian who was qualified for participation. Even if he entered the athletic grounds he would have been executed by sight by the supervising committee. What makes by the way Ceka a specialist on ancient athletics?Alexikoua (talk) 21:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That academia article is by "a Greek educational psychologist and an employee of the World Bank" (i.e. not a subject expert). She cites to Ceka, The Illyrians, 68, 267, which I do not have access to. I'm not sure that this claim sits within an archaeologist's purview. Furius (talk) 21:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The second source? AlexBachmann (talk) 22:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand your question. By "that academia article" I mean [3]. By "this claim", I mean the claim that Illyrians participated in the Olympics. It sounds like Ceka could be a good source for, e.g., the archaeology of Butrint, but the question of who participated in the Olympics is one for historians of ancient Olympia and ancient Greek athletics. Furius (talk) 23:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant the second source that the author cited. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AlexBachmann, please quote exactly (here on talk) what Ceka and Hatzi are actually saying about Olympics participation. The fact that in your edits [4] you were taking over verbatim the citation string "Ceka, The Illyrians, 68, 267; Georgia Hatzi, The Archaeological Museum of Olympia [in Greek] (Athens: Latsis, 2008)" from the Abadzi paper, complete with shortened and translated titles and all other marks of incompletion, without bothering to provide the actual, complete bibliographic info, makes me suspect you never really read Ceka and Hatzi but were only copying the claim from Abadzi. Which, incidentally, also makes it a case of far too close paraphrasing.

That said, I very much doubt the implied premise both in this claim and in the discussion here that the Greeks had any notion of classifying people by categories of "mixed" descent. As far as I understood, for purposes of Olympics participation, you either were a Greek or you weren't, and to what extent that status was compatible with some non-Greek admixture in your ancestry is neither here nor there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe write it...

Smaller so students/kids can understand and might Helô them so they don't need tô choose parts to write (beacause its too big) 2A00:23C8:548A:E01:5D44:8489:9EDE:ED86 (talk) 16:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The events that make a pantathlon 41.60.209.227 (talk) 05:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]