Talk:Anastas Byku

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Did you know... that 19th-century publicist Anastas Byku held that the Albanians were descendants of the Pelasgians and the Illyrians?

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He was Greek

Who said that he was Albanian? While waiting references on that, let's see what Pykaios said about himself in Christianism and Hellenism :
- Dedicates his book to "The compatriote Apostolos Arsakes".
- Page 8: "When the Bulgarians started their operations against Hellenism, I came to Greece and I undertook the battle against the "Philalbanian Company" (Φιλαλβανική Εταιρεία) which was part of the Panslavism. ... (for my sacrifices for Hellenism they confiscated the 1/4 of my salary ...) ... I offered my services to Greece ....". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Euzen (talk • contribs) 10:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pykaios was a minor author not mentioned even in Greek encyclopedias. Possibly some users find more important (and annoying) the fact that Greeks were born in what today is Albania. He was born in Lekli (Λέκλη), the birthplace of Thanasis Vagias and Ali Pasha. --Euzen (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

......... Ali Pasha was born in Beçisht, not in Lekli

The Fascist Italian connection again

The reference by Edwin E. Jacques, which makes the round of WP Albanian-made articles, is considered at least controversial and the biography of the author does not indicate a serious historian or at least an objective writer. See this:

"The Reverend Edwin Everett Jacques (1909-1996) was an American writer and Christian minister. He attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, graduated from Gordon College and Divinity School, and was awarded a Master of Arts Degree from Boston University. He also received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Denver Theological Seminary. As a missionary to Albania and Italy he was a teacher in Korçë, Albania, from 1932 to 1940. He pastored churches in East Concord, Groton, and Fitchburg, Massachusetts. Prior to his retirement, he served the Conservative Baptist Foreign Mission Society for nearly 20 years, and, as its foreign secretary, travelled extensively in Europe and Asia. Rev. Edwin E. Jacques died at the age of 87.
Writings
Edwin Jacques wrote a controversial book on Albanian history called "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present", which has been criticized by mainstream scholars such as Robert Elsie, a specialist in Albanian studies, but has found appeal in Albanian nationalist circles. "

So, teacher appointed by Fascist Italia in Albania. Hmmm... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Euzen (talk • contribs) 10:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This book is only worthy for unencyclopedia.org. If you are interested to contribute there you can read the Trojan War, Pelasgians section.Alexikoua (talk) 13:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is that written by Albanians, too? --Euzen (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques

The specific part sourced by this work seems to be completely biased: I know that this is about a partisan source so no wonder that this (held that although of different religions, the Albanians, who descended from the Pelasgians and the Illyrians, and that their progress would depend exclusively from their endeavors in the cultivation of the Albanian language and the Albanian schools) seems to be out of reality, even according to his own book 'Hellenism and Christianity' (in fact he claims that Albanians are not a distinct nation but a Greek tribe).Alexikoua (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When was the book published? In pp 199-200 Clayers claims that during his lifetime endeavors his attitude shifted from a hellenistic one to a more Albanian one, especially after the pressure from Thimi Mitko. --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Book published in 1874, four years before his death. The book includes mostly Pykaios' proposals for improvements of the Greek public education system. I've red several pages and did not notice anything concerning albanian language. In the introduction he expresses some peculiar ideas that Albanians are a branch of Greeks and that the word "Albania" resulted from a corruption of the word "Avlon(ia)", after the known Greek city of Avlon. He doesn't produce any references on that, however. Who's that Thimi Mitko?--Euzen (talk) 21:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Style Anastas Byku was a person not name of a person. What kind of sentence is this "Anastas Byku (?-1878) is the Albanian name of Anastasios Pykaios, a 19th century Greek speaking publisher and journalist born in Albania"???
Veracity Based only on the reference of Clayer which is not removed by Euzen, the text claims he was born in Lekël, (Tepelenë, Albania) and published a newspaper in which there were articles written in Albanian (Ce periodique, redige essentiellement en grec, avec quelques articles en albanais.. meaning "This periodical, written mainly in Greek, with some articles in Albanian...). As for the ethnicity the author claims "De fait, en dehors de Pykaios, plusieurs autres albanistes s'y exprimerent,.. meaning "In fact, apart from Pykaios several other Albanians expressed...." considering him an Albanian(And I am not including Albanian sources but only the one that is currently in use). He also published a "Grammar for Albanians" (Lloshi p171).
WP:OR If you don't know French don't mess up articles Aigest (talk) 10:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As FutureP once suggested maybe WP:AE would solve the issue.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 17:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need french lessons. In case that you don't know, "Albaniste" means "specializing in albanian something", not "Albanian". (for example see http://www.webdex.ro/online/dictionar/albaniste). Also "written mainly in Greek, with some articles in Albanian" does not mean "the periodical was written in Albanian". In fact there is only one or two articles in Albanian in several dozens of issues.

You are invited to correct your own mistakes in the article soon. No question, FutureP is willing to offer his assistance. In the case you insist, photos of the newspaper are at hand for uploading.

So, some of us do not care for the rules, do they?

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Byku always self declared as Greek and signed as Pykaios in all of his works. This article obviously needs to be renamed accordingly.Alexikoua (talk) 21:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Open an RM discussion if you wish so. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In case there is no objection there is no need for MR. It's a crystal clear case by the way (Greek national and self-declared as ethnic Greek).Alexikoua (talk) 22:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]