Talk:Amok

This page was nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion on 23 May 2021. The result of the discussion was disambiguate.

Old discussion

Valereee, This shouldn't redirect to the dab because Running amok is the WP:PRIMARYTARGET. On Amok (disambiguation), it is listed at the header as a bold bluelink indicating it is the PT. If there were no PT, it would go in the list with the other titles. With your change to the redirect, the dab page now has a circular redirect back to itself and NO link to Running amok. This change should be undone again. Of course if you feel strongly, you could propose it shouldn't be the PT. MB 15:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, MB. Why do you think it's the primary target? (I mean, yes, I see it's listed as that, but I'm not sure it should be, and I'm wondering whether you think it should be or just currently is, if you see what I mean.) —valereee (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And whoops, sorry, meant to ping: MB —valereee (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, two reasons. First, the dab page has treated it that way for 12 years, so that is a good indication of consensus. Second, running amok is an article on the definition/concept of "amok", so it makes sense. The word is rarely used alone; it is an adverb, usually "running amok" or "gone amok". MB 15:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MB, which I totally get, but the reason I was thinking maybe it shouldn't be the primary target is because Amok is also the national dish of Cambodia. It's been redirecting to Running amok for twelve years maybe because we don't have enough editors who are editing on Cambodian topics? Since as you say Running amok is the full phrase, and in English we seldom use amok without the running/run/ran before it, maybe it shouldn't be the primary?

It's in the dab twice, as both Amok and Amok trey. The reason I got here is from trying to figure out if we had an article on amok the food and getting to running amok. —valereee (talk) 16:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, Navigation is supposed to help the majority of readers find the right article as quickly as possible. Running amok gets hundreds of view daily, probably mostly from direct links. According to [1], (for last 3 mos) Amok was viewed 28/day - and most of those probably found what they were looking for - (running amok). Only 5/day got to the dab page (probably from the hatnote at running amok), and only 2/day got to amok (dish), either from the dab or the couple of other articles that link directly. It think this shows running amok is the PT for "amok".

You got to running amok and, hopefully, after seeing it wasn't what you wanted, read the hatnote next and checked the dab for the topic. At least that is how it is supposed to work. I do agree that the food shouldn't be in the dab twice like that. MB 16:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MB, I do get it, and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I think you're right that Running amok probably gets most of its hits from ran/run/running amok. I got to the dish only after starting to create the article, actually. I'd put in Amok, got to running amok, and clicked to go back to the redirect to see if there was explanation there. I think I may have only noticed the dab notice after you'd reverted. :)

I just think this is maybe a culturally questionable primary target for amok given that, as you say, most people probably don't put in amok. It's almost never used by itself. They probably put in ran/run/running amok. I think maybe we need more input. —valereee (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, sure. Can you revert the redirect to the status quo and then list it at WP:RFD. I think that's the best way to get more input. MB 17:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I listed it! Check my work, lol, I don't think I've done that before! :D —valereee (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MB, oh, hell. I listed before I reverted! I'm sorry...what should I do? —valereee (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, Fixed. I just did two minor manual edits. MB 17:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! :D —valereee (talk) 17:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Amok" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Amok. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 23#Amok until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. —valereee (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]