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Requested move 21 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved to American steamship ''General Lyon'' (1864). The consensus was forming around ''General Lyon'' (steam*, 1864), using either steamboat or steamship. However, as pointed out a) this was oceangoing (suggesting 'ship' should be used) and b) the title should abide by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Ships from navies without ship prefixes. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (transport) – USS General Lyon (1860) was also a steamboat, and I don't see how this can claim primary topic. Hog Farm _Talk 04:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as nominated. The other one was also a transport. General Lyon (screw steamer) would probably be the best option. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to SS General Lyon (1864) per WP:NCS. 162 etc. (talk) 16:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I would agree except a) there's no indication it was ever referred to as SS (see WP:PREFIXSHIP), and b) it was chartered in 1864, but the article does not say it was actually launched in 1864 (see WP:SHIPDAB). -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To your second point, see here; construction began in late 1863, with the agreement already in place that the Army would charter it upon launch (which happened in March 1864.) 162 etc. (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I would support General Lyon (steamship, 1864). Still no indication it ever used the SS prefix. And it was a sea-going ship rather than a riverboat. The title of the other one is fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If we leave out "SS" (which, after researching this a bit, seems like a good idea) we need to follow WP:NCS standard for ships without ship prefixes. In this case, American steamship General Lyon (1864). 162 etc. (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some move, but not (transport) In ictu oculi (talk) 23:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (transport) per Necrothesp and In ictu oculi, but would support General Lyon (steamboat) → SS General Lyon (1864) per 162 etc. or, if consensus cannot coalesce around the use of "SS", would then support General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (steamboat, 1864) and would additionally support an analogous move of the main title header for the other steamboat USS General Lyon (1860) → USS General Lyon (steamboat, 1860). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NCS for the convention regarding these article titles, your suggestions are nonstandard. 162 etc. (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move to General Lyon (steamship, 1864) per Necrothesp and Roman Spinner. This sums up succinctly what this is, without invoking a made-up title such as "SS" or "American steamship". — Amakuru (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.