Talk:American Figurative Expressionism

Needs to be written as an article...

not a collection of quotes and a list.Volunteer Marek 01:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Boston Figurative Expressionists

Weren't they called the Boston Expressionists? There are so many references to Boston Expressionism I was thinking of starting an article on the subject. There would obviously be some overlap with the "Boston Figurative Expressionism" section of this article, but that section doesn't completely cover it; some were more abstract than others. Maybe a "see also" link would be sufficient. If anyone objects, let me know soon. --Rosekelleher (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and created a Boston Expressionism article and linked to it from here. The info that's here could probably be summarized a little more succinctly, now that there's an article about it elsewhere. --Rosekelleher (talk) 18:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Update

I have expanded the lead a bit to hopefully clarify what American Figurative Expressionism is all about. The structure of this article still needs work. It was cited, for instance, that the movement originated in Boston but a section about the Boston Figurative Expressionism came after the New York section. - Darwin Naz (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! You did an excellent job, precisely what I was hoping for. In the process, you also spurred me on to further precision, so the only edits I made to your work related to trying to link it better to the lead overall, as I was restructuring it and rewriting some of what I'd written. As for the overall structure of the article, you're completely right, regarding the placement of Boston vs. NY, and lots of other things. As a novice here, if the original article hadn't been so incomplete I would never have touched it. That it was, and that is is one of the first things that comes up in a Google search, spurred me on. Thus far, my main aim has been to make the article respectable. Anyway, I see you have a background in lit and journalism, as well as an interest in art. If you feel inclined to edit or add more to that article, or the others I mentioned (which I assume you saw, I'm a bit confused by all the separate talk pages), please do. p.s. I was also fascinated by your note about German denialism! EditGirl99 (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Glad to help EditGirl99. By the way, if you are addressing a user in the Talk pages, you can ping @User name: that person so they get notified and could immediately get back to you especially if you need help. Sometimes I do a lot of edits so it is challenging to keep track of their respective Talk pages, which have also confused you :). Thank you for the further edits to the lead since it looks better now. If I can find time and sources, I would also contribute to the other sections of this article. I have just one suggestion regarding the use of these phrases: "These factors speak to the movement's strong association..." "tacitly suggest". Here, it appears that the author has formed his own conclusions or is making an argument. To detach, you can attribute this kind of positions to a source. Again, thanks for your efforts. Cheers! - Darwin Naz (talk) 23:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Images

IMO there is currently to many images compared to the amount of text. The WP:LEAD for example should have one lead image. Consider creating a WP:GALLERY like in the article David. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for your opinion. I may come to agree with you. The article is very much in progress, and I only took it over because it was extremely incomplete yet one of the first results in a Google search. So you may be right. I need to think more about best Wiki practices and how it's best done on other arts pages, or whether American Figurative Expressionism (AFE) deserves to be an exception. For the moment, it occurs that the arguments for leaving it "as is" are: (1) there is no single definitive work of AFE, and I wouldn't want to mistakenly suggest there is. (2) AFE spans several regions, and there is no single dominant region, except possibly for Boston. (This is something I'll have to research more.) But Boston art should probably only lead in the Boston Expressionism article (?) (3) It can be hard to read about art and not see it. Having an image you can glance sideways at as you keep reading/scanning an article about the movement that encompasses it is helpful.

As for the amount of text, that may change too. There is very little scholarship (only a few books) on AFE at the moment, but quite a lot of (copyright-free) art as you can see. I'll need to read more deeply into what there is to expand it properly. The article was mostly notes when I took it over — good notes, but notes, so I'm slowly going through draft after draft to make it respectable and, then, eventually polished. TLDR: I'll think about your comment. Thank you (:>) EditGirl99 (talk) 01:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

You may be able to find interested editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts, if you want more eyes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Notes on What's Next with American Figurative Expressionism (AFE)

EditGirl99 (talk) 02:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC) To Do List

1. Dates and timeline for the various movements
2. How the movement has evolved, e.g., Boston Figurative Expression is consider to be in its 3rd generation now, but need to clarify where else
3. "Fix image presentation": I realize Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång was on to something. Reading Wiki's best practices, I realize I've used the image to speak for the text in several cases, so I will correct that.
4. "Fix captions" Reading about images led me to captions, which are off-style, too. Will correct this too.