Talk:America (yacht)

Aurora's Completion Time

Research presented in David Shaw's recent publication, America's Victory (ISBN 1-57409-187-5), questions the time between America and the second place Aurora. Shaw argues that the time should be eight minutes and not the 21 or 24 minutes used by contemporary newspapers.

I [Shaw] took my facts from The Times of London, which historians credit as the most accurate account of the race. The Times reported that Aurora finished eight minutes after America.

Shaw also argues the name of the trophy, One Hundred Guinea Cup, should be more appropriately the One Hundred Sovereign Cup. One hundred pounds was the typical value of cups given to winners at the time, not one hundred guineas. The British have always called it the One Hundred Sovereign Cup and it is a mystery why the other name has stuck. Edison490 (talk) 20:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the RYS : "the cup's name comes from the yacht America which, in 1851, won the Royal Yacht Squadron's race round the Isle of Wight for a Cup of One Hundred Sovereigns (not guineas – the cup is often referred to mistakenly as the Hundred Guinea Cup, by which name it became known in America where it was subsequently engraved). [...] From contemporary accounts of the challenges the Americans seem to have used pounds (sovereigns) and guineas interchangeably. 100 guineas would have been £105."

The original poster officially announced the race as the "R.Y.S. £100 Cup".

Could the Cup itself weigh 100lb (of sterling silver)? Nuttyrave (talk) 18:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, there are different statements on different pages. America (yacht) says 18 minutes, 1851 America's Cup shows 24 minutes in the table, and America's Cup says 8 minutes. This inconsistency makes Wikipedia look dumb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.160.71 (talk) 19:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Further information

There is an article in DANFS about this ship @ America ; you need to look about midway through the page before the entry appears. This covers more of the military history of the ship. --Brad (talk) 15:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Gravesend

Is this Gravesend, Kent or Gravesend, Brooklyn?

Gravesend, Kent, England has a large port, and has been associated with shipping

Gravesend, Brooklyn is in New York, so is geographically connected to the rest of the article. Martin451 (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, there is another replica sailing around at the moment as far as I'm aware. I last saw it in Malta and it is a direct replica, supposed to be worth about £10m and is owned by someone who I understand is some sort of Italian wine merchant. It has some of the original fittings in the captain's cabin and I think it was once owned by the RYA. I've spent some time on it myself and it is a very nice boat indeed. You may wish to check this out and add it to the article. Oh and one other thing, is it was featured in some fairly major film, although I forget the name of it. This is what I was told by the people looking after it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.225.28 (talk) 06:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Tonnage

Until today, the infobox listed America's displacement at 170 tons.[1] No source was given, and the assertion is doubtful, as ships at the time were not measured by displacement (which is mass), but by tonnage calculated by a mathematical formula. A tonnage figure of 170 is supported by the 1885 book listing the tonnage of entrants in the famous 1851 race (Coffin, p. 13). Presumably the figure was tons burthen or the Moorsom System, but there were national variations in that measure which may apply here. The yacht served in both the Confederate and Union navies during the Civil War, and DANFS gives the tonnage for the yacht as 100, 208 Thames Measurement. The latter measure came into force in 1855, after the Cowes race. I have removed the displacement field and used the DANFS figures for tonnage. Kablammo (talk) 15:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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