Talk:Amelia Rose Earhart

Photo

please note that her press agent has already released the image to the PD. I have a copy of the e mail if its requested, but the photo has been loaded to commons and tagged as per request as PD. Release was e mailed to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org WPPilot 02:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Looks good! Good work! - Ahunt (talk) 02:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

" there was no traceable connection, however she continues to be an inspirational role model"

Is "inspirational role model" really borne out by the references provided, and does the lack of close family connection to Amelia Earhart warrant an "however"? GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. I have reviewed them and none of the refs cited actually support this. It is at best WP:SYNTHESIS. This article seems to suffer from an excess of media sources that are merely reprinting press releases and it is losing its encyclopedic focus to become a PR vehicle. I'll fix the sentence as per the refs. - Ahunt (talk) 11:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

proposed route

I know its what the source said but " the North East of Brazil, the South Atlantic Ocean, the heart of the African continent, the Indian Ocean, the Pacific Islands, and the Atlantic Ocean before returning back to California" reads as a doubling back rather than a circumnavigation. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

It was probably just a typo, good eye!

Live 2 way cockpit or just a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL website

Never before has a viewer, been able to communicate with a pilot, via a 2 way video link in the manner that she and her team have arranged for.

Her press releases of late have mentioned the fact that she will be streaming live video, from the plane enroute via her website. you can read the quote here: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ebace-convention-news/2014-05-22/amelia-earhart-set-complete-round-world-flight the fact that she has the type of uplink capability via link through Inmarsat and Satcom1 with a system of combined compression and uplink to enable this during her route, I feel is notable.

:" ameliaeathartproject.com. YouTube is going to capture the video and will have all of the videos from previous legs on the site, so people can go back and watch. A lot of the time it will be boring, and a lot of their time it won't. The pilot geeks and aviation buffs will want to see what the cockpit's like, what we're doing, how we're communication with each other. They'll be judging me as a pilot. We'll have that going for all 98.2 hours of the flight, so I'm really going to have to watch what I say. "

First off, there has NEVER been a Live Link system like this, and as such its notability should be mentioned, on this site. Ahunt has removed it from the page claiming that this is WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and that I was promoting her event, and it would be nice if someone one else that is somewhat aviation oriented would chime in on this. I am going to flip the data so outside links is over refs, even if it is just for the 2 weeks of her flight. talk→ WPPilot  05:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Since this is an encyclopedia we have to be careful to keep the content encyclopedic and not promotional in nature. Our job it to neutrally record events, not participate in anyone's PR campaign. The live feed information is part of the publicity for the flight, but not part of the conduct of the flight operations as the flight could easily be completed without it. I would say the live feed is notable to the subject of Publicity but not Aviation, so a really brief mention may be justified, keeping in mind WP:UNDUE.- Ahunt (talk) 11:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Cant find any evidence that this a "two-way" link is particularly notable, just a standard aircraft avionic uplink, live feeds from aircraft are not that rare, lives images for example the Memorial Flight Lancaster are not that uncommon. Best of luck to her but I would be more worried about not having at least one hot-spare engine! then mess about with live transmissions! (although it does mean a few more people are watching or listening to the engine! even if they could not do anything if it stopped) MilborneOne (talk) 20:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, it is a PT-6 powerplant. I have thousands of hours flying PT-6s, including test flying on them, and the only time one ever burped was due to a technician rigging error. They about the most reliable engine ever designed. - Ahunt (talk) 11:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

BLP1E?

Isn't this article falling foul of WP:BLP1E? BTW, I don't see the newsworthiness of her being "the youngest ever" woman to attempt a solo circumnavigation - she's 30 years old! Imho "youngest ever" is past it's sell-by-date by that age, if she were under 20 it would be worth making a fuss of but once someone is a grown up adult it becomes rather "whatever"... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree on the BLP1E and that her accomplishment is not all that notable, either from an age perspective or an aviation perspective. In the early 20th century it would have been, but flying around the world has been accomplished by thousands of people now. I have a friend who guides pilots on globe circling tours on vacations several times a year. Doing it in a highly-capable, modern, pressurized turboprop also makes it not-very notable. More recent circumnavigations that were notable include Brian Milton's global flight in a weight-shift ultralight and Steve Fossett's circumnavigation by balloon. In many ways this article seems to be part of the promotional effort for the current flight. - Ahunt (talk) 11:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Notoriety is sustained as a public personality (newscaster) and as every major news agency has ALREADY provided a great deal of coverage, Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies has been well supported, establishing further notability by adding MORE reliable, secondary sources about the topic would be overkill.

https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Amelia+Rose+Earhart%22&num=50&gws_rd=ssl https://www.google.com/webhp?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Amelia+Rose+Earhart%22&tbm=nws

• Smithsonian Magazine -
• Huffington post -
• NBC News -
• CBS News -
• CNN News -
• Avweb.com -
• aopa.org -
• usatoday.com -
• TODAY.com -

A page in no way needs more then these media agencies coverage to sustain BLP1E, regardless of your personal perspectives this is a page I created once the media had provided the BLP1E, as shown in the link above. With regard to the comment "a world record does not matter if you are over thirty" & "if she were under 20" that is simply nonsense and not how it works here, Wikipedia has no limitations on age for people that are/do set world records, there is no disclaimer that says this site is only for use if your under 30. This young lady has the guts to do it, fact is the major media has already supplied the required preq for this page. Kevin Corke is a reporter, and just a news reporter, he has not done anything other then report on the news, that is notable, but the point is that a person that is a public personality like a reporter who then goes on to fly around the world, (something that I would do in a heartbeat if I could at 52) after already being a reporter passes the threshold of notability. Lastly "Amelia is the President of the Fly With Amelia Foundation (501c3), which grants flight-training scholarships to young women, ages 16 to 18, and fosters aviation and aerospace opportunities for people off all ages through aviation based educational curriculum. I am unaware of any 31 year old, male or female that has setup a non profit that helps kids pay costs related to learning how to fly. Your arguments have no merit. talk→ WPPilot  03:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The stated policy is "Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article." and then goes on to give examples of when " We should generally avoid having an article on a person" giving three conditions. The intent is chiefly around not creating articles on living people for negative reasons. Though in this case, Amelia Earhart is actually courting publicity. (which might make WP:NOTADVERTISING "Advertising, marketing or public relations" appropriate reading?) It could be that Amelia Earhart is in effect only notable for the circumnavigation/charity - in which case perhaps the article needs to be about the foundation, and not her. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

She is not ONLY in the news, she is a public figure (newscaster/reporter) as well as the head of a charity that funds aviation related training and an adventurist. Her "notability" was well established when she obtained jobs reporting live news for 2 national network's (CBS & NBC). Having already established herself as a reporter, she went on to become a pilot and is now flying the route that was unsuccessfully attempted by her namesake. If she was just doing this for "Advertising" it would be one thing, but she seems to be doing this to allow young people to have a chance to experience flight. Wikipedia is FILLED with pages on simple (Category:American television journalists) & reporters that have gone on to be, well just reporters or correspondents example: Ainsley Earhardt. As you said being on the news may not sustain your vision of the threshold of notability, but reporting the news in 2 major markets (LA - CBS 2 & KCAL 9) (Denver NBC 9) for at least 5 years now, plus giving back to the community when your actions are covered by every major news agency in the USA/world (http://www.rtl.de/cms/news/rtl-aktuell/amelia-will-in-drei-wochen-in-einem-kleinflugzeug-um-die-welt-fliegen-3d1c2-51ca-20-1959591.html) & (http://www.tvn24.pl/meteo-news,75,m/pogoda-meteo-news,94/24-06-prognoza-pogody-meteo-news,442972.html) sustains the threshold required here. talk→ WPPilot  14:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

American Geneology

Wouldn't a great many Americans have a common 17th century relative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.153.28 (talk) 02:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)