Talk:Amanita muscaria var. guessowii

On 25 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Amanita chrysoblema yellow-orange variant. The result of the discussion was Not moved.

var. guessowii versus var. formosa

What is the difference between Amanita musicaria var. guessowii and Amanita musicaria var. formosa? 2603:8001:A600:C87:AC53:8F39:794F:66B5 (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

Amanita muscaria guessowii is no longer known as that name, it’s been reclassified as Amanita chrysoblema yellow-orange variant.

Requested move 25 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 23:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amanita muscaria var. guessowii → Amanita chrysoblema yellow-orange variant – Taxonomy has been changed, is no longer considered A. muscaria. 2605:8D80:32D:6192:A882:5121:C6CD:4F3D (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source to reference? As it currently stands, the move request and name change is unverifiable and cannot be approved without better sourcing. We cannot rely on WP:OR or unverified claims.

Please follow this link to learn more about what constitutes a reliable source, and to see about what sites may or may not be included for improving upon encyclopedic content. 65.60.165.198 (talk) 02:35, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The site amanitaceae.org has Amanita muscaria var. guessowii as a synonym of Amanita chrysoblema yellow-orange variant. However, the rest of the page discusses Amanita muscaria var. guessowii, so I'd guess this is a recent proposal. Without proper sourcing and evidence that they change has been accepted elsewhere, this move would be premature. — Jts1882 | talk 06:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, amanitaceae.org has many pages for provisionally named taxa, e.g. [1] and [2], that have name status given as "cryptonomen temporarium" or "nomen provisorum", and with author mostly given as "Tulloss" (sometimes with an additional author), with no additional details about the publication. Tulloss's publication is amanitaceae.org itself. Wikipedia shouldn't have articles on provisionally named taxa from amanitaceae.org (although it is an authoritate resource). For this taxon, the amanitaceae.org page is messed up; it lists the name status as "nomen acceptum", and gives Veselý (with a citation to a journal page number) as the author. The name published by Veselý is the current title, Amanita muscaria var. guessowii. Either wait for a name to be formally published (or until other reliable sources start using amanitaceae.org's provisional names), or merge to Amanita chrysoblema (Wikipedia doesn't usually have articles on infraspecific taxa). Plantdrew (talk) 20:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.