Talk:Aman

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Is the location in Tolkien's works really that much more important than the other meanings of this term, enough to justify treating it as the primary meaning on wikipedia? PatGallacher (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came here looking for Aman the Somali supermodel/writer...! 121.241.69.194 (talk) 05:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 01:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aman (disambiguation) → Aman
Aman → Aman (Middle-earth)

– There are so many real-world uses of Aman (which means peace or safety in several languages), it's amazing that the fictional legendarium place has stayed at Aman for so long. People have complained since 2008 that it should not be the primary topic. Aman Resorts alone is more prominent than the fictional place. Zanhe (talk) 05:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support long overdue. but Zanhe Aman (Middle-earth) seems to be the usual dab. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@In ictu oculi: You're right, most similar pages seem to use Middle-earth as disambiguator. I've modified the request. -Zanhe (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

oppose per disambiguation guidelines we don't create a redirect on partial matches if the other articles are just partial matches.GimliDotNet (talk) 06:37, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@GimliDotNet: That's incorrect. Many items on the disambiguation are not partial matches and can be called simply Aman. Most notably Aman Resorts and Aman (IDF), as well as the many acronyms. It's also a quite common first name. -Zanhe (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@GimliDotNet: Yes, that's incorrect. Many items on the disambiguation are not partial matches and can be called simply Aman. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanhe: it is you who are mistaken. Aman Resorts is the natural name for that article, and we don't disambiguate for partial matches. We only disambiguate where there is an exact match. See WP:NATURALDIS if there is a natural name available that takes precedence.GimliDotNet (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:PTM. Aman Resorts is often referred to simply as Aman, just as Westin Hotels & Resorts is often called Westin (which is a redirect to the hotel), and they're not partial matches. -Zanhe (talk) 20:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have read it. I don't see any evidence that Aman Resorts is often referred to simply as Aman, it's even consistently referred to as Amanresorts in it's article GimliDotNet (talk) 20:23, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The hotel calls and markets itself simply as Aman. See https://www.aman.com/. Besides, this is not just about the hotel. Israel's military intelligence agency is commonly called Aman, and there are numerous people named Aman, and other acronyms. There's no way the fictional place is the primary topic (see comments above from 2008 and 2009). -Zanhe (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You keep bringing up partial name matches. They do not justify disambiguation. As for the Israeli organisation, it would need to be shown that it is more commonly known as Aman and that the link was causing users confusion to justify it's natural name moving an article. Your assertion that a fictional place cannot take the primary topic smells of WP:IDONTLIKE, it has not place in this discussion. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed you to the official website that proves that the hotel consistently calls itself simply Aman, but you still insist that's a WP:PTM, that's intransigence. And you insist that a fictional place is more significant than all the other topics combined, without providing any evidence, that's a sign of WP:FAN. -Zanhe (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yet you ignored the points about partial matches not counting towards disambig discussions and that the article in question doesn't once refer to the subject as just Aman, you are the intransigent one ignoring guidelines and convention. GimliDotNet (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, visible WP:FAN. Disregard In ictu oculi (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Given your edit history of moving articles to disambig pages where they are not needed, I don't think your understanding of the way it works carrys any weight. GimliDotNet (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I just realized that there was a move request a few years ago at Talk:Aman (Middle-earth)#Requested move. There was strong consensus that the fictional place is not the primary topic and should be moved somewhere, but it wasn't moved in the end because people could not agree upon a destination, although several people suggested Aman (Middle-earth) (and Aman (Tolkien) was another suggestion). -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't see the long-term significance of one of a gazillion fictional items in Tolkien's works even approaching primary topic status over other uses of a word that is going to be looked up for all of its various meanings as well as for Amman. How we specifically name the Tolkien topic article is practically inconsequential. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Plenty of evidence that the current article at Aman is not the primary topic. sst ✈ 16:55, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per others. Johnbod (talk) 22:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Amān in Islamic law: important term, article needed

Amān has a much wider meaning than was indicated in the DAB page (see Amān at Encyclopaedia of Islam, BrillOnline.com). We will need an article on the topic. The term already shows up in articles. Arminden (talk) 16:23, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]