Talk:Alphington Paper Mill

Alphington Paper Mill was nominated as a Art and architecture good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 4, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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A fact from Alphington Paper Mill appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 October 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the site of an old paper mill is being redeveloped into a residential area dubbed "Tesla town"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alphington Paper Mill.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Alphington Paper Mill (1950)

... that an old 16.5ha paper mill, built in 1921, is being redeveloped into 2,500 dwelling and is set to be the 'world's most liveable suburb'? Source: https://www.domain.com.au/sponsor/reimagining-1920s-boiler-house-last-heritage-building-release-yarrabend/
- ALT1: ... that an old 16.5ha paper mill, built in 1921, is being redeveloped into 2,500 dwelling and is set to become the world's first 'Tesla town' with each house containing solar, batteries, and EV chargers? Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristintablang/2016/07/19/tesla-suburb-yarrabend-melbourne-australia/?sh=373f95d7283e
- Reviewed:
- Comment: FYI - Uncertain about the first hook as 'world's most liveable suburb', named by 'The Future Lab', may not have been a 100% independent rating.

Created by GMH Melbourne (talk). Self-nominated at 11:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Alphington Paper Mill; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article:
Clear at 100px: - n

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @GMH Melbourne: The info from ALT0 does not currently occur in the article, and with your above comment, I would go for ALT1 instead. However, that hook should be trimmed down a bit, since it exceeds the 200-character limit and is quite a mouthful. Consider the following:

ALT1a: ... that an old paper mill is being redeveloped into a residential area dubbed "Tesla town"?

Additionally, the distance and colour of the image make the subject hard to discern at 100px. If you really want to have a photo for the hook, you should use that from 2019. Otherwise, I feel like it could be left out entirely. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 10:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- @IceWelder: Thank you very much for taking the time to review, I agree, ALT1a, is much better. Additionally, I am happy to leave out the image. ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 11:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - With that out of the way, I am happy to approve this. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 11:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alphington Paper Mill/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: JML1148 (talk · contribs) 04:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to review this. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
GOCE did a really good job so not much needed here.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
Spot checks are all good, all sources look reliable, no copyvio or OR issues.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
See comments below.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
All good.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
All good.
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
All good.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
See comments below.

Feedback

Quotes need to have the citation that they are from immediately following it. There are two quotes that don't have this.
Spot checks:

Source 6 - all good.
Source 10 - all good.
Source 4 - all good.
Source 12 - all good.

'floating' might be worth wikilinking.
Lede could be a bit longer.

Fail justification

Mostly, this article is quite good. Very well writtten, no sourcing or copyright issues, good images. But where this article falls short is the length of the article. At 490 words, it is quite small for a good article. Obviously, very short good articles are a thing, but there are major components that the article is missing. There was a very large controversy regarding the demolition of the paper mill, yet it is not mentioned at all in the article. Google 'Alphington Paper Mill' and you will find loads of articles that could easily be incorporated into the article as sources. There is also no detail about any of the history of the mill's operations, bar the short 'Incidents' section. There has to be something interesting that happened in the mill's nearly 100 years of operation that can be sourced and added to the article. This feels like an article that has been rushed to GAN without doing proper research or due diligence before nominating. Before renominating, I would encourage this article to be expanded to be at least 700 words long, ideally 900-1100. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.