Talk:Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe

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Wikified ALDE in PACE section

I have wikified the ALDE in PACE section of this article. However, it still needs verification, and, although I excised the most obvious offenders, is still dangerously close to POV. -- kaosfere 20:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Should there not be an infobox for Eurogroups, like for parties proper? ALDE and EPP-ED are how they are represented in parliament, some small box would be good wouldn't it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JLogan (talk • contribs) 21:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Two ALDEs

Why not having two separate articles on the two ALDEs? --Checco (talk) 16:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Four, actually. And precisely because, unlike UEN-EA, it's largely coherent and homogenous in all assemblies. —Nightstallion 17:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

merging proposal

Why not merging the page with the Eu group? It is pretty confusing, especially for wikilinks with other languages. Some speak about both ALDE in same page and no idea where to re-link them. The group can be presented as EU parl and then added that it was constituted also as international alliance in other organs. would be much easier--88.103.17.38 (talk) 13:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your proposal above. The articles should not be merged. The reasons are as follows:

Legislative groups get separate articles from their party/alliance

The ALDE group in the EP is a set (of people) with a defined date of creation, founding documents, rules and membership. The ALDE alliance is a larger set with differences. This situation exists in many assemblies: examples in the US include the separate articles for Democratic Party (United States), Republican Party (United States), Democratic Caucus of the United States Senate, Democratic Caucus of the United States House of Representatives, Republican Conference of the United States Senate, Republican Conference of the United States House of Representatives.

Size considerations

The merged articles would be prohibitatively large. As the article expands to include the PACE,COR and NATO groups, it would get worse.

Consistency with other articles

Each EP group gets its own article: the sole exception is PES, and that will be rectified before June 09.

In short, the current structure reflects reality, matches other Wikiarticles, won't get too big and allows for future expansion.

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 15:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant article

This article is essentially redundant and should be merged with Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Group. Anyone disagree?--Autospark (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposing semi-protection

Hi everyone,

I am proposing to semi-protect the following pages: The Left in the European Parliament – GUE/NGL, European Conservatives and Reformists Party, Renew Europe, Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe, Europe of Sovereign Nations (party), Europe of Sovereign Nations Group, and Patriots for Europe. The same message is copy-pasted on all of the relevant talk pages, so that the merits of this proposal can be discussed for each of these pages.

My reasoning is the same for all pages: all of them have been the victim of recurring vandalism over the past few weeks, where (mostly) anonymous users change the ideology of the party/group without sources or discussion. Mostly, this is done to remove "far-right" (often when the ideology is "right-wing to far-right"), change "far-right" to "right-wing", remove "center-right" (when the ideology is "center to center-right"), change "center-right" to "center-left", or change "left-wing" to "far-left". These changes are often quickly reverted, but their continued occurrence is problematic. Semi-protecting the page would prevent anonymous users from making such edits.

Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of quality edits are made from registered accounts, which would not be affected by the semi-protection. This is particularly true since these pages are part of a rather niche group (European parties and parliamentary groups) that is very rarely edited by non-wikipedians. As a result, I do not think that the semi-protection would have a negative impact on the continued development of these pages.

Happy to discuss! Julius Schwarz (talk) 11:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose the page has not facing a serious problem. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. I follow many pages and this probably conflates my view of the issue. Maybe it's been happening less so on this specific page. I still think it's an issue and that a semi-protection would not be detrimental, but I do recognise that it's more problematic on other pages. Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of this article

Hi,

The topic has been brought up several times above, but not since 2015 (which is almost a decade ago), so it feels like a new discussion on this is warranted.

I believe it is warranted to delete this article for the following reasons:

It is unclear what the article refers to: the description calls it a "political party in the European Union" (while there is a separate page for ALDE Party), while the lede calls it a "transnational alliance" (which, as far as I know, does not exist as a separate entity).
It article does not add anything relevant: most of the article is just links to other pages, apart from the lede and a paragraph on the foundation of a group in the Committee of the Regions, which can be found in the dedicated article.

Additionally, it contains information that seems erroneous: it says that ALDE (as a "transnational alliance") is an alliance between two European parties, ALDE Party and the EDP. While the EDP was part of ALDE Group (which no longer exists), I do not think this is factual and should, at the very least, be corrected.

Any thoughts? Julius Schwarz (talk) 09:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]