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According to Ajaygadh stone inscription of the time of Bhojavarman Alha belonged to the Vastavya race of Kayasthas and his ancestors were hereditary ministers under Chandella Kings.

The Kayastha clan of Vastavyas originated from Vastu( Vishwakarma ) who was residing at Takkarika , the foremost among the 36 towns, where dwelt the people of the writer's cast , and which , by the crowds of its residents, was made to resound with the chants of Vedas. One of the descendants of Vastu was Jajuka who was proficient in all the sciences and arts, and was endowed with the title of Thakkur ; and was entrusted by the invincible King Ganda with the work of superintending all the affairs of the state and for this service, to enjoy the village of Daugaud , granted to him by means of copper-plate. Jajukas descendants was Mahesvar,who assisted Kirtivarman, the crest-jewel of the princes , in the Yellow Mountain districts, and in recognition of this service, he was appointed an officer to guard the Visikha(high-road)of Kalanjar and also enjoyed the donation of the village Pipalahik. In course of time one Gangadhar was born in that family ; he was favourite counsellor of the King Paramdi who entrusted him with the high office of a chamberlain. Gangadhar's younger brother was Jaunadhar , who took delight in deeds of war and striving after final liberation. Following the path of heroes, both fought on the excellent mountain Kalanjar with showers of arrows. They had a younger brother named Maladhar who too was a great hero. In course of time was born Alha ; he was full of energy and was entrusted with the administration of guarding the streets(Pratoli).He lived happily in the fort.

However Alha, the brother of Udal was a general under Parmardi (Parmal). Thus Alha, the Kayastha, born much later, was not the same Alha.

It is well know that Alha-Udal belonged to the Banaphar clan.--Malaiya (talk) 17:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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Alha had a mixed rajput-ahir blood

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=MMFdosx0PokC&pg=PA133&dq=ahirs+the+history+of+rajput&hl=en&ei=Q3FwTY3CNIeGvAOs2Im-AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=MMFdosx0PokC&pg=PA133&dq=ahirs+the+history+of+rajput&hl=en&ei=Q3FwTY3CNIeGvAOs2Im-AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ahir&f=false

book--Rethinking India's oral and classical epics: Draupadī among Rajputs, Muslims ...

By Alf Hiltebeitel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.71.160 (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC) 

Ahla ahir connection

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=uV-RrRoMzbgC&pg=PA134&dq=ahirs+,Alha+and+Udal&hl=en&ei=rP-GTZ2kMIaycPnm8IYD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ahirs&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=INEnJvlv6JsC&pg=PA132&dq=ahirs+,Alha+and+Udal&hl=en&ei=rP-GTZ2kMIaycPnm8IYD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=snippet&q=ahirs%20&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=hHM6baknNRIC&pg=PA138&dq=ahirs+,Alha+and+Udal&hl=en&ei=rP-GTZ2kMIaycPnm8IYD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CE8Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs%20%2CAlha%20and%20Udal&f=false page 73

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=LAKHTebAAoX5cfv2rf8P&ct=result&id=rG8IAAAAQAAJ&dq=ahirs+%2CAlha+and+Udal&q=ahir

Page 50 http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=QgOHTf76LYG8cZvhoJ4D&ct=result&id=JDfaAAAAMAAJ&dq=ahirs+mothers+of+Alha+and+Udal&q=ahirs

Archeolical survey of india clearly says that they were ahirs. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=WCArAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA73&dq=alha+udal+ahir&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY1uK4usTpAhWMzjgGHXg_D7cQ6AEIFzAC#v=onepage&q=alha%20udal%20ahir&f=false Satyitihas (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Alha: A most powerfull rajpoot warrior of indian history: Alha, one of Parmal's warriors, son of Dasaratha of the Banaphar rajpoot; he is also called Madrakh, andGaygowal. In the body of the "Raisa" is mentioned incidentally how Alha, on one of Mahmud's invasions, when all the other Rajas, including Prithi Raj himself, shrank from an encounter with Mahmud, Alha, then a boy, volunteered to lead the fight, and was the means of inflicting the signal and well-known defeat on Mahmud. On this occasion, Prithi Raj, after the battle, in a solemn council, conferred the title of Gaygowal on Alha, with the remark that they (the Rajas) were like cows who needed a gowal (herdsman) to lead them,and he (Alha) had performed towards them the task that a herdsman does for his cows.

His other title of Madrakh was obtained when Manju,Raja of Bengal (a Solankhi Rajput), defeated Brahma Deva, the Parihar Raja of Janakpur in Mathil Desa. Alha then came forward to help him, and saved him from ignominious flight. As a Rajput by flight breaks his vow not to turn his back to the enemy, andincurs ignominy, Alha, helping Brahma Deva, saved him from losing his mad: hence his title. Then alha become more powerfull than ray pithaura or prithvi raj. He won all northern kingdom for Jaychand king of kannaj. Then he called Mandleshwar Maldleek .......... dear sir i am research scholar as wel as police sub inspector i was read all and mix ingradiants from book "earley ruler of khajuraho" "rethinking oral epics " Durgeshuppolice (talk) 12:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear Durgeshuppolice, according to Wikipedia policies, we do not write anything of our own which may amount to be WP:OR. Whatever we find here is just the extract of the Reliable sources. In general, the contents without citation of proper sources get reverted and are frequently removed. I suggest to please add the contents with proper citation of acceptable reliable sources as per WP:RS, if you want the contents added by you shall stay permanent. Also, we avoid advertising for a caste, creed, region, religion, organisation or person and write the articles with neutral point of view WP:NPOV. Thanks. Wish you happy editing. Further we can discuss on the talk page of the concerned article.--MahenSingha (Talk) 14:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Banaphars are Rajputs

It is said that Alha's mother was Ahir but this doesn't make every Banaphar Rajput a Ahir .Banaphars are found in Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Uttrakhand. In Himachal Pradesh and punjab there is a group of Pathania Rajputs who are believed to have origins from Banaphars .I am also a Banaphar Rajput and I humbly request people of Ahir community not to make us Banaphars as Ahirs .You calling us Ahir will not change our identity or blood .Please visit Mahoba town i Uttar Pradesh and see yourself that Banaphars call themselves as Rajputs. Thakur Singh (talk) 20:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Those who lived in jungle are called banfars, alhas father was ahir from buxur. Satyitihas (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It is biggest misconception in the history is that every kshatriy and every king were raajput, it is not soo. Rajput is mediaeval terminology.. Historians used common term rajpoot for various kings belonging to ahir, jat, gujar,bhar, gond, pasi kings. Satyitihas (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Aalha Udal's parents belong to the banafar gotra that is yaduvanshi Ahir community.

Aalha-Udal's father's name Jasraj Ahir and mother's name devla who was daughter of Gwalior king Dalpat Yadav. आल्हा उदल (talk) 14:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

A user Shivam Singh Tanwar has changed some correct information in Alha's page. He has written Rajput in place of Ahir.

A user Shivam Singh Tanner has changed some correct information in Alha's page. He has written Rajput in place of Ahir. So please,the silly mistake made by him should be corrected. Arun singh krishnaut (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Alha and udal(alha's younger brother) are rajput warrior. Alha and udal were children of dassraj which belongs to Rajput clan.It is

wrote in the alha kand ( referring to poetic works in hindi which consists of a number of ballads describing the brave acts of banaphar heroes alha and udal) that alha and udal are rajput. Articles (reliable sources):1. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ob7UAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAFegQIARAB 2.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=pR5uAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAEegQIAxAB 3.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=GQuNSQAACAAJ&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAIegQIBBAB Ultimate survi (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

In the title of alha wikipedia wrote that he is a ahir warrior but he is a rajput warrior so i want to edi it Mega flames (talk) 08:01, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

The WP:TITLE says nothing about Ahirs or Rajputs, and the article says, "mixed Ahir and Rajput background", with WP:CITE to a very WP:RELIABLE source. So what did you want to write? And what was your source of information? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I just want to change the title of the article.the article is absolutely correct Mega flames (talk) 05:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alha udal were Ahir not rajpot.

here are my proofs please consider this.

1. banfar is a subcaste of ahir/yadavs Communities, Segments, Synonyms, Surnames and Titles (Anthropological Survey of India, 199) page no.1293

2. also in Archaeological Survey of India Reports 1862-1884 · Volume 19 page no.73 Alha udal are referred as Ahir chiefs

3. Sons of Krishna: the politics of Yadav community formation in a North Indian town, Lucia Michelutti, London School of Economics and Political Science University of London. pg.223,225,226 here Alha is referred as Ahir hero and yadav wrestler.

4. Report of a Tour Through Behar, Central India, Peshawar, and Yusufzai, 1881-82, page no.73

please consider our proofs.

History1nerd (talk)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 march 2021

please update article with sources provided in section: Hello, Alha udal were Ahir not rajpot.Talk:Alha#Hello,_Alha_udal_were_Ahir_not_rajpot. History1nerd (talk) 16:04, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

alha udal caste

Alha and Udal were children of the Dasraj, a successful commander of the army of ... which has its origins in the Banaphar Ahir/Yadav castes. and fought against the .Rajputs such as Prithvi Raj Chauhan and Mahil.The Bhavishya Purana further adds that it is not only the father mothers of Alha and Udal who are Ahirs, but their paternal grandfather grandmother from Baksar are also Ahir, who entered the family with a blessing of Devi chandika that come not from wrestling buffaloes but from her nine-year vow to the nine Durgas and hence the Ahirs were natural relatives of the family. Some of this checks out with the Elliot's Alha, where the gopalaka (Ahir) King Dalvahana is called Dalpat, King of Gwalior. he is still the two girls' father, but merely gives them to Dasraj who was an Ahir and Bachraj when Parmal requested him. The Queen Malhna insists that King Parmal reward Dashraj and Bachraj with brides from within the Chandel land. King Dalpat of Gwalior volunteers his daughters Devi (Devaki, Alha's mother) and Birma Udal's mother. Queen Malhna welcomes Devi to Mahoba by placing the nine lakh chain (Naulakha Haar) around her neck and also gives Birma a necklace. King Parmal then gives new Banaphar families a village where they bear and raise their sons named Alha and Udal. विक्रम सिंह बनाफर (talk) 14:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2021

Alha and udal are rajputs of chandel origin ,their are many stories of it and written sources also ,a show in doordarshan also presented them as chandel rajput ,when he was about to attack prithviraj chauhan (udal) after the death of his brother his guru stop him by saying don not kill prthviraj as he is " also a rajput" 2409:4055:4E05:D335:0:0:2109:B405 (talk) 21:40, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Inspection into references regarding Banaphar origin

I've looked into some of the references regarding the origin of the Banaphars, as well as Alha and Udal at Talk:Banaphar#Regarding_the_origin_of_the_Banaphars,_Alha,_and_Udal. Feel free to comment there. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Content dispute

Both versions suffer from pov and sourcing problems. Reverted to clean version and awaiting opinion from @RegentsPark:. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Real need semi protection reinstated. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

apology for causing dispute sir but is this book not usable, I once again apology

Cynthia Talbot and other academic consider Banaphar as doubtful and questionable of being rajputs.

all that has been covered in origin section and from better books extensively describing it on this folklore subject written by Alf Hiltebeital ( 1999), writer Thomas Crowley and others. The references are there on the page and the first one itself. This has been discussed extensively on the page by many editors in the past and the stable version was result of it. Nothing new is being brought up here on this topic. RS6784 (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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Alah was chandravanshi

Allah was from chandravanshi clan, read on this page https://hi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE And we should correct this on English version too. Realanuragxyz1234 (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 August 2022

want to add royalty person with sources

Alha
Panchveer of Mahoba
General of the Chandelas of Jejakabhukti
Reign	c. 1179-1183 CE
Predecessor	Dassraja
Successor	Indal
Born	25 May, 1167 Mahoba, Kalinjar fort, Uttar pradesh
Spouse	Sonvati
Issue	Indal
Names Vanafar Alhat singh chandel Regnal name Alha
House	Haihaya, Lunar dynasty
Dynasty	Banaphar, Chandela
Father	Dassraja
Mother	Devla-devi (Pratihar Princess)
Religion	Hinduism

Alha was a legendary general of the Great and powerful Chandel Emperor Paramardideva (Parmal), who fought Prithviraj Chauhan in 1182 CE, immortalised in the Alha-Khand ballad.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Most of that is unsourced, and it also has significant WP:NPOV problems. The Great and powerful ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Akshay_Singh_Rajput_Thakur. Ravensfire (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Early life

Alha was born on the 25th May, 11th century in the house of a commander in the Chandela royal family who ruled Empire from Mahoba, Jejakabhukti. Alha was born in the Vanafar clan of the Yaduvanshi/ Chandravanshi Haihaya Chandel dynasty, his uncle was emperor Paramardi-deva chandel. Alha's father's name was Dasraja vanafar (Chandel) and mother's name was Devla-Devi Parihar (Pratihara).

After the murder of father Dasraja, uncle Vatsraja and Yashovarman Chandel in Mandavgarh (1165), as soon as Alha turned 16, he took command of the Chandel army and avenged his father's death by attacking Rewa, killing Jambhe baghel in the Battle of Mandavgarh.

Later, Alha married Sonva-devi, the princess of Sonvagarh, from whom he had a son named Bhavnarendra.

Geneology

The story of the origin of his clan is that, When Emperor Kirttivarman (chandela dynasty) recaptured neighboring kingdoms and repulsed Sultan Ibrahim of Ghazni's raid, a book was written in his court called Prabodhya -chandrodaya or Chandra prabodhya -natakam. According to text his cousin brother general ShriGopal Chandel founded vanafara dynasty and Alha Udal was born in the lineage of the Chandelas of vanaspara. Suryansh Rathore (talk) 12:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 January 2023

Rao Lakshya Pratap Singh (talk) 12:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Alha was Ahir by caste and it is written in many books available offline and online . As I can produced the evidence for the above said reason. You are requested to consider my request to allow me to add valid citation.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 December 2023

Banafar is a Rajput clan. It is not a mixed clan. Please remove this reference of mixed race from the origin and introductory section.

Alha Singh and Udal Singh, the famous generals of Chandel Rajput King Parmardi Dev belonged to Banafar Rajput clan.In the Puranas it is mentioned that mother of Alha Singh and Udal Singh was a Ahir.So,it does not make the whole clan Ahir in any sense. Abhimanyu200 (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Note to others: this request is related to another request made by this editor at Talk:Banaphar. Liu1126 (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)