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A fact from Alexina Kublu appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Alexina Kublu, a linguist, translator, Languages Commissioner, and the first justice of the peace in Nunavut, is her grandmother's father and her daughter's son, as per the Inuit namesake tradition?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alexina Kublu.

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that scholar, translator, Languages Commissioner, and first justice of the peace in Nunavut Alexina Kublu is her grandmother's father and her daughter's son?

Source: First Justice of the Peace Source: [https://transreads.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-07-23_60fa0ef1b4064_InuitStoriesofBeingandRebirthGenderShamanismandtheThirdSexbyDAnglureBernardSaladinz-lib.org_.pdf "Gifted with a striking personality, Kublu was

appointed the first justice of the peace in Nunavut."] Saladin d'Anglure, Bernard; Frost, Peter; Lévi-Strauss, Claude (2018). Inuit stories of being and rebirth: gender, shamanism, and the third sex (PDF). Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: University of Manitoba Press. ISBN 978-0-88755-830-6. Retrieved 7 August 2024. Page 324.

Kinship source: "Kublu started life as an old man because she is her own great grandfather’. She explains: I am my paniq’s atatukulu. My paniq’s my grandmother . . . My grandmother is my paniq, which is daughter. I’m her atatukulu because I’m named after her stepfather. Her biological father was lost out at sea when she was a baby . . . The only father she knew was Kublu and so to her . . . he was her father. My younger daughter calls me inni (son), and I in turn, call her atatta (father). But first of all, I was always going to be Kublu because my atiq died before I was born . . . . My mother’s midwife . . . the first person who held me . . . told my mother that she wanted her son (Kublu) to live with her . . . my mother by name (told) my mother by birth that she wanted . . . to have her son living with her. So that’s how I became Kublu. (Alia 2005: 252) That tangled constellation of identities is virtually impossible for an outsider to comprehend." Alia, Valerie; Bull, Simone (2005). Media and Ethnic Minorities. Edinburgh University Press. pp. 100–101. ISBN 978-0-7486-2068-5. Retrieved 10 August 2024.

- Reviewed: Jeffrey Veregge
- Comment: This is a complicated one, and a meaty article at that. I thank any reviewer well for their time and patience. This DYK is tied in with the concept of atiq or atiapik, this article by the Inuit Art Foundation explains the concept quite well.

To explain, as in the article, Inuit namesakes traditionally become the person they are named after. Kublu is named after her grandmother's stepfather and thus became the elder Kublu. Her daughter is named after her father, and thus Kublu's daughter is her father.

Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 37 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 02:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Wow, this is a very enticing hook! I think this could pull a lot of people in and teach them about this fascinating part of the Inuit kinship system. I've found no problems with the article; it is fully sourced, neutral and earwig only flags the long names of institutions.[1] Sources check out, so this is a very easy pass from me! Excellent work on this article, I enjoyed reading it. Grnrchst (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ornithoptera IMO, the hook will need an "according to Inuit tradition" or similar. How would you prefer to phrase it? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29 hi, could you direct me to the policy that may require the clarification? I'm concerned about losing the interest of the hook, as well as the need to go about it in a culturally conscious manner before proposing an alternative hook. If the current hook is in no direct violation, it might be a good idea to try and go ahead with the hook as-is. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ornithoptera, WP:DYKHOOK: "The hook should include a definite fact". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29, I've given it some thought and adding "per Inuit namesake tradition," or "per the Inuit kinship system," after "...that" is probably the best way to go. Preference for the former, because the latter is an anthropological term that goes beyond the complex family dynamics and fails to go into what atiapik is. Napatsi Folger was comfortable describing the atiapik as "a female kinship term for a namesake" so I think it would be the most ideal option to go with. Thus:

ALT1 ... that per Inuit namesake tradition, scholar, translator, Languages Commissioner, and first justice of the peace in Nunavut Alexina Kublu is her grandmother's father and her daughter's son? Ornithoptera (talk) 22:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth

Is it 1954 or 1959? This source in the infobox says 1954, the other two sources in the prose don't seem to say either way? Giant Snowman 08:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GiantSnowman, in my recollection, I don't recall any source within the prose that mentions her birthdate apart from the source linked. Could you direct me to the relevant sources and perhaps the quotes involved? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's refs 2 and 3 from this version. Giant Snowman 10:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References 2 and 3 were originally for her Inuktitut name, Nunavut '99 was a text published in both languages (which served as a good comparative reference for her English and Inuktitut names) and contained her writings but did not serve as a biographical source in the original context. You can see on the August 7 version that this was the case. It seems like Ravenpuff made this adjustment in this edit, perhaps a mistake? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it seems that it was a mistake on my part; thanks for fixing it. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 20:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]