Talk:Alexander Boot

This page was proposed for deletion by David Gerard (talk · contribs) on 13 October 2021.

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External links

Takimag has been called “deprecated”, whatever that may mean, but is not worthless: Moonraker (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Boot profile at Takimag

Likewise, from Distractify:

Shannon Raphael, Is MSNBC and CNN Contributor Max Boot Married?, 1 December 2020

Coffee House Wall Interview – Mr. Alexander Boot 18 November 2012

Alexander Boot profile at The Jerusalem Post

Dalrymple

In his foreword to The Crisis Behind Our Crisis (St Matthew Publishing, 2011, 978-1901546385) Theodore Dalrymple says of it "Alexander Boot delves far deeper than anyone else into the origins of the current crisis. With implacable logic and a grasp of history far superior to that of other commentators, he shows that the economic crisis is not merely economic, but spiritual."

Notability

David Gerard added a {{Proposed deletion}} template on 13 October 2021, with the concern "Writer of no discernible notability. The article does not contain evidence that Boot passes WP:NJOURNALIST or WP:GNG, and a WP:BEFORE shows no coverage that I could find about Boot in WP:RSes. Would need independent third-party RS coverage of Boot to be kept. I'm willing to be shown wrong, but it would need to be shown."

This is fair enough, and I am working on it. The issue here is WP:GNG. There is substantial coverage of Boot’s early life in Owen Matthews’s article "Missing, Presumed Alive" in The Salisbury Review, and all key facts of his later life can be reliably sourced. There is some use of primary sources, and I agree those need to be used with caution, but in policy terms they can be relied on for simple facts, if not opinion. I am going to remove the template, as it says "The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for seven days, i.e., after 23:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)." No objection to an AfD, but there is more work to be done here, it might save wasted effort to revisit that in another week. Moonraker (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

you just deleted the tags without actually fixing the tagged problems, so how's it been going fixing them since October? - David Gerard (talk) 17:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Gerard, on your {{notability}} tag, that should be discussed here if challenged. You had not replied, and you have also not answered my edit summary. But do please say something. Moonraker (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sources

David Gerard, please see Wikipedia:No original research#Primary:

Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.

This is clear enough. Could you please say which of the passages you have tagged you believe needs a secondary source? Moonraker (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's a BLP. All of them should be cited to independent third-party RSes. Primary sources are not as good, even if (as you note) they're not summarily removable.

If you have third-party Reliable Sources, use them.

If you're trying this hard to put questionable - and questioned - sourcing into a BLP, you've fundamentally misunderstood Wikipedia sourcing.

You may also benefit from reviewing WP:OWN - David Gerard (talk) 12:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]