Talk:Alanus de Rupe

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Catholic Encyclopedia identifies Alanus de Rupe with Alain de la Roche. He is also commonly called Alan de la Roche. He is honored with Beatification AND Canonization in the Catholic Church. In most places he is listed as either untitled or "Blessed". The reality is that he is a canonized saint. Please help spread the word.Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 22:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Freder1ck 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)Freder1ck[reply]

His Beatification

There is a category Beatified people on this page. I did a quick web search and I found no date for either his veneration or beatification. The Holy See web site seems to have nothing either, or maybe they spell it differently. Does someone have a reference for that? I saw a vague reference that the "Blessed" was just an honorific for him and his cultus is yet to be developed. But that was a vague reference, so I will not rely on it. Is that so? Please respond on this page if you have any info/links. Thanks History2007 (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His Canonization

Alanus de Rupe is also known and referred to and found in many internet searches as: Blessed Alanus de Rupe, Blessed Alain de la Roche, and sometimes Alan de la Roche. "Alanus de Rupe" is latin for "Alan of the Rock". "Alain de la Roche" is french for "Alan of the Rock". Alanus de Rupe, Alain de la Roche or Alan of the Rock is, in fact, a CANONIZED SAINT. His feast day is October 26. He has one Roman Catholic parish in the United States named after him in Troy, Michigan. It's called "St. Alan". If you google "Church of St. Alan" or even just "St. Alan" you will be directed to this church's website. The website has a small article about St. Alan. According to this article, and wikipedia, Alan is celtic and means "harmony". I ask anyone who may see this to please help me set the record straight about this wonderful yet little known saint. Without his work in the 15th century, the tradition of the rosary would have been lost. Thank you. Elizabeth Hennigan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth Hennigan (talk • contribs) 22:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC) --Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 18:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was certainly very influential with respect to the rosary. But I have no confirmation that he is a saint. That church website is not what Wikipedia accepts as a reference. I did a search some time ago, but nothing concrete. Information is really sketchy. So I think we need to emphasize that he was a great person, but saint, I am not sure. And he is not obscure by any measure. St. Louis de Montfort refers to him in his books. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 18:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1907 does not indicate he is a saint, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01246a.htm. This is a published work and should meet standards of evidence for canonization. Kardinal (talk) 02:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Hennigan called the church named after him and they said he was a saint. If so, it should have been post 1900. But church confirmation i snot Wiki-acceptable.... History2007 (talk) 02:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The church was dedicated in 1966 by the late John Cardinal Dearden of Detroit, Michigan. Under Catholic Church rules, this church would not be allowed to be called St. Alan, unless St. Alan was a Saint. (see Wikipedia under Canonization)Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 04:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if Elizabeth were sure that the church was under patronage of Alanus de Rupe. I think that the patron of the church is another saint Alan. For example saint Alain de Lavaur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B. T. Si (talk • contribs) 10:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only Alan listed on the online Catholic saints index (http://www.catholic.org/saints/stindex.php) is Bl. Alan de la Roche. That site lists both the saints and the blessed. Bl. Alan de la Roche has not been canonized as a saint but left at the blessed stage by the Church. Yet it still means that right now while you read this he is in heaven! Alan347 (talk) 09:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably right, because when someone is declared a saint in most cases the Vatican website itself has a page on that ceremony. I could not see one for him. History2007 (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What an imprimatur means

"The nihil obstat and imprimatur are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error. No implication is contained therein that those who have granted the nihil obstat and the imprimatur agree with the content, opinions or statements expressed." As samples of online sources for this often repeated official statement, see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. An editor who fails to understand that an imprimatur given for printing does NOT imply that the giver agrees with the contents has insisted on putting in this article the statement "Cardinal Hayes of New York provided his imprimatur in support of the fifteen rosary promises"! 86.45.171.134 (talk) 17:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the tag is no reply to the question how, contrary to what the imprimatur article states, you justify making your unsourced and baseless claim that a Roman Catholic bishop who grants an imprimatur to a publication is thereby declaring his agreement with its contents. 86.45.171.134 (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]