User talk:Elizabeth Hennigan

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Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. I also like Blessed Alan, but I see no solid sources that he has been declared a saint. The church page in Troy is not a solid Wiki-reference. So perhaps that claim needs to be softened a little, specially on the rosary page. He is referred to several times in the Secret of the Rosary, as blessed. Cheers History2007 (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thank you for your comment. Please note that the Secret of the Rosary was most likely written before St. Alan was canonized.Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the Troy church said they checked it, then my personal feeling is that it is true and I will not challenge it. However, the statement that he is a saint will probably be challenged by someone else in the next few months because that method of determining the truth is WP:OR. Hence it would be good to find a Wikipedia acceptable reference for it. I have not seen such a reference, but it will be needed in the next few months for sure. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I can try to help, but the problem in Wikipedia is that:

What you and I think does not matter.
What the Troy church says does not matter.
Any one's credentials also matter not.
All that matters are references!

And people spell his name at least 10 different ways, so big searches will be needed. How do you know his feast day? Is there a Vatican website or book that lists the feasts of saints? That would be usable. By the way, his page gets very few hits [1], if we add more links to it in other articles, it will get more. Cheers History2007 (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I asked another user who is pretty informed about the Rosary and here is what the discussion was: [2]. I now think Alan dela Rupe was a great person, but is not a saint yet, and the article probably needs to reflect that. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would ask you and Bernadeta to please read the ENTIRE (albeit very short) article on the Church of St. Alan's website and notice that at the end of the article he is referred to as St. Alan as well.

After reading the correspondences between you and Bernadeta, I was disappointed that one so knowledgeable as Bernadeta so glibbly dismissed the fact that St. Alanus de Rupe was ever canonized, when so much hard work had been done by MANY very knowledgeable and respectable experts to accomplish this. Even to this day, many are researching and working very hard around the world to now make known the Truth of St. Alan's canonization.

One could go into the files of the Vatican and do an audit on this, however, this should be absolutely unnecessary and a waste of time as there is CLEARLY enough evidence to support that St. Alan is, in fact, a canonized Saint.

EVEN WIKIPEDIA'S PAGES support this. PLEASE READ UNDER "CANONIZATION" IN WIKIPEDIA! There you will find everything you need to know about what has to happen in order to be moved from the catagory of "Blessed" to the catagory of "Saint" in the Catholic Church.

There you will see that in order for a church to be named after someone, THEY MUST BE A CANONIZED SAINT. "Blesseds" do not have this honor. This honor is one of several honors that the Catholic Church bestows upon Saints alone. When a church is dedicated (named), very special, careful and discerning processes occur before this event.

At the time of St. Alan's Church dedication, the process was lead by a CARDINAL of the Catholic Church. A CARDINAL of the Catholic Church answers only to the POPE in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. A CARDINAL of the Catholic Church knows exactly what to do in these matters and is very CAREFUL to follow all the many rules and regulations of this process.

I hope that Bernadeta would please realize this. Bernadeta was not careful enough to read the whole article on the website and not careful enough to educate herself on the process of canonization or naming of churches in the Catholic Church. She did not execute "due diligence" when attempting to answer your query. I suspect that may have been because...like many of us...she didn't have the time, nor the inclination.

www.stalanchurch.org

Wikipedia, Canonization

Elizabeth HenniganElizabeth Hennigan (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't see it as a big issue either way, so I will leave it as is. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]