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Similarities to the thief and the cobbler

Um, hello, but since there's no where else to put this, I wanted to note that aladdin was not ripped from the other examples on the actual page and here in discussion, but far more from the thief and the cobbler by richard williams. Since I am only an anonymous user, and the edits I made noting this were just removed, I make a motion for someone to note the high amount of similarities between these two films, with the scene in aladdin of abu stealing a ruby from a statue being copied from the thief and the cobbler EXACTLY, agrabah being based entirely on thief's depiction of baghdad as the golden city, and countless characters, such as jafar and genie being based on the vizier character Zig Zag in thief, abu and aladdin being based on the thief and cobbler characters respectively, jasmine being based on princess yum yum, and the sultan being a blatant rip off of king nod. Before anyone says these are unverified and biased claims, try actually finding out about this movie on the wikipedia page and how much disney wished to supress what it itself used as the basis for aladdin. ":Yes this is true, but Wikipedia is not your soapbox. I've taken the section down to one verifiable sentence- even if something is true, it must be neutral and verifiable (ie, all claims must be sourced through reliable sources). Also, EMPHASIZING words or using words like "blatant" is quite a skewed point of view- let the facts speak for themselves. --Wafulz 06:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, you didn't remove enough. It currently says that there is a controversy over the similarities, but the link provided gives no indication of such a controversy. Powers T 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, same person from the first edit again. I apologize if my first edit seemed biased in my word use and all, but my examples are not; if you please, go to google video and download any [even disney's] version of the film for your own viewing. If you can, please try to edit as thorough as possible a comparison on the most similar of characters, designs, and scenes. Now, in a non-emphasized way, I'd like to point out a few:

1. I stand behind the abu stealing ruby from an idol/thief stealing ruby from an idol parallelism; the way abu greedily looks at the asian idol's ruby with a reflection in his eyes is almost identical to the thief greedily eying the buddha's ruby, and both robberies result in general disorder. 2. It is the most obvious and certifiable point with many disney animators that you wrote that zig-zag the grand vizier's design and character influenced jafar and the genie, but would it perhaps be elaborated upon? I'll leave that discretion to the registered users. 3. I apologize for any bias in this point, but why was the fact that disney acquisitioned the movie through miramax just to discredit it and make it seem like a rip-off of aladdin not included? I believe, if the miramax version is watched from google video, you can see how animation and dialoge was edited, hastily completed, and references to aladdin introduced in the story. 4. And, just a final point, could there please be an inclusion of how many animators who worked on thief and the cobbler left during the long production time and went to disney, and that the work print was shown repeatedly at the disney warner bros. and multiple other animation studios; I can not verify these events, but they seem highly likely, and would better explain how the disney animators were able to re-use the designs and animation. Thank you once again! Oh, and here is an actual link to all the google video links for the thief and the cobbler videos for verification of comparisons:http://www.ctufilms.com/cobbler/index.htm

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Your theories and comparisons are not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia unless they are available from a reliable source. Powers T 02:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Um, excuse me, but I know many of the similarities aren't easily verified, but it must be considered what this movie has been through and the obscurity created by it's minimization. And I looked at the page, and wouldn't the movie itself be a verifiable source? You can look at Wikipedia's Thief and the Cobbler page for examples others found, and the link I provided to all the versions of the movie so it could be included for others to view at thier own discretion to notice the similarities. Would it help if I put a statement to generalize it, like "it can be ascertained" or such? The reason I do not have verifiable evidence is because, once again, I am not a registered user. All I am trying to accomplish is a fair and informative comparison to introduce the similarities between these two great films and to bring to light The Thief and the Cobbler, a film I can honestly and without bias say has been very maltreated by any involved, not just disney.
From the WP:V- the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. Being a registered user has nothing to do with finding verifiable sources. However, I'm fairly confident more sources on the comparison are out there somewhere- it just might take a little bit of digging.
Within the article itself, you may not add your own conclusions- this amounts to original research, which is prohibited pretty strongly. Using phrases like "it can be ascertained" is called using weasel words (pardon the pejorativeness, it's just a name), which is basically the same as original research.
As for using the movie itself as a source- you cannot do this to reach new conclusions. These conclusions (which include comparisons) must have been made somewhere else by a reliable source (something with an editorial process). --Wafulz 03:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Well said, Wafulz. I would also like to ask our correspondent to please sign his talk posts with four tildes (~~~~). Powers T 23:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Sorry everyone, I'm judt trying to put out some info. I'll try not to do that again. :)65.9.68.67 01:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, if you provide sources, you can add it in again. I'm not trying to discourage contribution- I'm trying to encourage proper citations. --Wafulz 04:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

oh; then could i add back in that miramax's release specifically made thief look like a copy of aladdin?74.225.17.62 02:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Beginning edited for home release?

I've been under the impresssion since it came out that the beginning of the move was slightly altered from the movie (I saw it in the theatre) - While I'll admit it's been a while, the movie began with Aladin swiping the bread. The VHS begins after he's already stolen it. A difference like two seconds, but it stuck out to me. xC0000005

Unfortunatly, there was also a movie called Aladdin in 1986, and there are IMDB listings for movies called Aladdin in 1923, 1936, and 1953 (although it classes all of these as shorts). While the last 3 have no claim to the namespace Aladdin (movie) being both very old with sketchy details available and shorts, the 1986 italian film does. i'm just noting this, and may come back and throw down a page for the italian release (imdb entry [here]), at which point i'll move thise page and disambiguate as needed. Crackshoe 23:14, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Upon his escape, he hands Jafar the lamp and Jafar decides to give him his "eternal reward" by sealing him inside the cave.

I always thought that Jafar was planing to kill Aladdin and that was only a lucky accident he only got sealed in the cave instead.
Death would be the normal logical result of being sealed in a cave; Abu snaring the lamp was the lucky incident that allowed Aladdin to escape alive. Autiger 03:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Jafar was preparing to strike Aladdin with a knife or dagger, when Abu bit his arm. That caused him to lose his grip on Aladdin. Jafar's intent was to kill Aladdin outright, it was only Abu's biting that allowed Aladdin to survive long enough to fall into the cave. MrItty 14:51, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article title.

This article should be at Aladdin (1992 movie), not Disney's Aladdin. Disney's Aladdin is not the name of this film. --FuriousFreddy 11:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Delete the year, "1992" in the article title.

Male chauvinism in a Disney movie

  • Jafar says to Jasmine that silence is a "fine quality in a wife" when speaking to her after the song "A Whole New World". He later calls her "my dear" (an appelative) but is about to punch her in the face seconds later. This is a example of implied male chauvinism in a Disney movie.

"Wishing Lines" Trivia Entry

The "Wishing Lines" entry in the Trivia section makes very little sense to me. Can someone clean it up?

Disney Renaissance Era?

I'm sorry, but the line: "It was released at the peak strech of the Disney renaissance era beginning with The Little Mermaid and ending with The Lion King," seems a bit opinionated to me, and anyway, this period certainly must stretch over a much longer period, through all of Disney/Alan Menkin collaborations, and perhaps even until Tarzan? Perhaps this line would be too opinion-based no matter how worded and should be eliminated... thing

Controversy

I heard the audio file and it clearly but quickly says "Good Teenagers, take off your clothes" --66.218.17.117 03:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I just saw the film again and Aladdin himself wears a turban as the prince, so the line about only bald people wearing turbans is wrong. I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean anyway -- --194.97.161.97 16:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To tell the truth, Abu does NOT say the word, "shit" at all. This is NOT a teenage film, it's a family feature film. --PJ Pete


See "take off your clothes" section at the bottom of this talk page.

Genie Voice

Who voices the Genie? In the voice cast section it has dan castellaneta or something but earlier it says robin williams.Randomkeys 03:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It's Robin Williams; I'm not sure why people (mostly without accounts) have been changing it to Dan Castellaneta (who voiced the Genie in the second movie) Schnauf 04:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

While I haven't seen the whole movie, I carefully studied the portion containing the "Friend Like Me" song, and no one but Robin Williams could have voiced the exact inflections used. Jon 00:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin Williams lawsuit

Wasn't there some sort of controversy about Robin Williams suing Disney for using his voice without permission? I don't remember very well but I think that should be mentioned.216.90.56.122 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

There was indeed. Robin Williams did not want himself promoted as the voice of Genie, although his voice was used with permission; the advertising using his voice was not permitted by him. Because of this, he left the voice of Genie until his final reappearance in Aladdin and the King of Thieves. User:Ardavu 11:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Some quick provisos...

When the Genie tells Aladdin there are limits to his wishes, he turns into a grey-haired man (and again when Jafar wishes for Jasmine to fall in love with him). Is this supposed to be anyone in particular? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.209.6.41 (talk • contribs) .

William F. Buckley PacificBoy 17:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin Williams dispute

More info on the RW dispute somewhere would be interesting. Perhaps the Genie article? The Aladdin 3 article mentions it has something to do with Disney using his likeness to promote this movie but other then that there is little info on wikipedia. Of course, there may not be that much clear info on what it was about anyway Nil Einne 04:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Broadway musical

Does anyone know if Aladdin will be made into a Broadway musical at some point?--Stardust6000 00:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If there are any plans at the moment, they haven't been announced. The current Disney Theatrical line-up only has Mary Poppins and The Little Mermaid.--Annie D 05:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. I think that I may have found some info on the subject. According to this link, though I don't know if it is a reliable source, the DCA Aladdin show will be closing, and they are now revamping the show and moving it to Broadway. Regardless of whether or not the source is reliable we'll find out eventually when the Aladdin Broadway musical will become a reality. Here is the source.[1]--Stardust6000 21:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposal to create page for "Friend Like Me"

IMHO, Songs in movies & musicals, even those that are original to that movie (like in this case), have the own live and therefore belong in their articles. (As to why I'm mentioning it here, that pharse currently redirects to this page.) Thanks. Jon 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Titles in different languages

Is this section really necessary? I don't really see it adding any value to the article other than a list of trivial information. --Wafulz 22:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright if nobody gives any reason for keeping the section I'll probably just remove it. --Wafulz 22:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd check with Wikipedia:WikiProject Films; they might have a guideline on film titles in other languages. Powers T 15:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Goofs and Fair Use

I removed all of the goofs because they are not important. They are simply too trivial to be mentioned. On a separate note, all of the images need fair use rationales. They do have licensing info, but they lack the detailed, necessary rationales. In the licensing box it states, "To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Image description page, as well as the source of the work and copyright information." Please see Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. Check out these examples of fair use for screenshots: here, here, and here.--Supernumerary 02:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Carebears

Watch carebares adventures in wonderland! Aladdin riped it off! villain and all. HarveyDanger 06:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've had that movie on video since I was a kid. Have to say I don't agree with you, Aladdin has never pretended to have more than a generic storyline. -- Annie D 09:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Story wise it didn’t rip it off. Visually and musically that’s another story. Watch it again, you will see. HarveyDanger 05:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

dragon trivia

"During "You Ain't Never Had a Friend Like Me," the dragon that Genie turns into is similar to Puff The Magic Dragon."

Puff the Magic Dragon is not a previous Disney character. Perhaps the writer means Disney's Reluctant Dragon? Otherwise this item doesn't fit in a section about references to previous Disney productions. Or possibly Elliot the dragon from Pete's Dragon.

Rajah Voice actor

According to the Aladdin: Special Edition DVD, when I watched the movie where Aladdin and Abu are at the "Ends of the earth", the facts, which were included while watching the movie, said that Frank Welker voiced the Tiger God, Abu and Rajah. So, Rajah's voice was not Russi Taylor. Sjones23 01:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Jafar voice actor

Kathy Zelinski was not a voice actor for Jafar in snake or old beggar form. She was the animator.

Sonni-chan 13:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Sonni-chan

Major Plot Hole

I know that this is an animated cartoon for kids, and it should be forgiven for plotholes, but there was one that had me scratching my head even even when I first saw it when I was nine: Jasmine was clearly convinced that Aladdin was dead (she ran away crying when Jafar told her he had been beheaded for kidnapping her) but later, after "A whole new world" when she figures out that Prince Ali and "the boy from the market" are one and the same, she is unsuprised to see him alive and well. This is not a trivial inconsistency, THIS IS A MAJOR PLOT HOLE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.231.70 (talk) 23:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Dear Lord. So he survived the fall, escaped somehow; he's a street rat, he's done it all his life. Jasmine probably figured he just used his experience to escape; or, more likely, as he was at the time a prince as far as she knew, she may have guessed he used his influence to escape. It is a plot hole, I give you that, but one that can be explained. User:Ardavu 11:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Good article comment

With a quick glance over the article, none of the images have fair use rationales. Look to other film GA/FAs for examples of what to include. If they are not added, someone may quick-fail the article. Also, inline citations go directly after punctuation, there should be no spaces in between or something like: .[1]. Make sure to fix these and I don't think there shouldn't be too many problems with getting the GA to pass. --Nehrams2020 20:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Agrabah

In some tellings of the Aladdin story, the city is Baghdad. however, given the close proximity of the release to the First Gulf War, it might have been deliberately changed to Agrabah (kind of similar), a fictional name, so as to be less controversial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.117.162.35 (talk) 16:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


I already thought of that, and since User:Thedemonhog mentioned in the WP:FILM peer review... Aladdin (film) redirects to this page, and the only other movie called Aladdin is that Golden Films one, that was also released in 1992, isn't very known and is already cited with an Otheruses in this article. So, I support moving Aladdin (1992 film) to Aladdin (film_igordebraga ≠ 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There are, however, many different films about Aladdin, dating back to the silents. As long as we must dab, include the date: it's five characters with the space, harmless, and avoids confusion. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
IMDb only lists one feature film called Aladdin - and that's this one. All the others are either TV movies, short films, direct to video, etc. Using the date to disambiguate in this case doesn't avoid confusion, it creates it; as igordebraga has already explained, the other Aladdin was also released in 1992, so Aladdin (1992 film) could refer to either. They're both animated, and they're both US productions too, those those can't be added to disambiguate them. Crazysuit 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is Aladdin (disambiguation) confusing? Also, why are the older films not listed? Vegaswikian 22:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The older films do not have articles, and thus we cannot link to them, so there is little point in mentioning them. --thedemonhog talk contributions 03:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Aladdin (1992 film) to Aladdin (film) as the result of a move request.. As noted above, adding 1992 does not serve as useful disambiguation, since the other film of the same name was also released in 1992. This ic clearly the most well known of all films called Aladdin and, as long as Aladdin (film) is not a disambiguation page (which is not needed because there are only two article so far), this article should be there. --Stemonitis 17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

1001 nights

Shouldn't some sort of reference be made to where the original material comes from and how much the Disney version differs from the original? For example the actual Aladdin is supposed to be set in a Muslim Chinese city. Nokhodi 03:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Aladdin, the genie and the lamp are from the original Aladdin story. Less well known is that the magic carpet and, arguably, the Sultan, the Cave of Wonders and Jafar (Shabbar the Jinn) are from PRINCE AHMAD AND THE FAIRY PERI-BANU, the 644th-677th night of THE BOOK OF ONE THOUSAND AND ONE NIGHTS. [2] Could this be added to CULTURAL REFERENCES? Not sure where else to put it. Martin Blythe 00:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

1991 Video Re-release of Aladdin

My mom and dad recorded 1991 VHS Re-Release of Aladdin. First, they did recorded Red FBI Screens/1986 WDHV logo/Disney Classics logo bumper without music/Jungle Book preview/1991 FP logo/1989 Walt Disney Classics logo with Mickey/1990 Walt Disney Pictures logo. And Finally, they did recorded a whole thing of 1992 Disney movie.

Fair-Use images in characters table

I've removed all of the fair-use images from the table in the characters section. As per the fair-use criteria and Non-free content criteria, copyrighted material can't be in lists, tables, or galleries. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page, or discuss the matter further at the WP:FUC talk page. Also, now that the images are gone, someone may want to turn the section into bullet points rather than a table with only one column. Drewcifer 23:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Film and original tale differences

The section about the differences between the film and the original tale is completely wrong in some cases. For example, it refers to the evil magician as Jafar and the princess as Jasmine, while these characters were called that only in the film. - Don golgi 21:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The Thief of Bagdad

I added the reference to The Thief of Bagdad, as Aladdin borrows heavily (and I mean heavily) from that particular movie. Wedineinheck 09:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

"Teenagers, take off your clothes!" ...Again

Some years ago my sister heard a rumor that there's a scene in Aladdin where someone says "Take off your clothes." or words to that effect, so we cued up a VHS copy to the balcony scene and listened carefully. We both clearly heard "Teenagers, take off your clothes!" (The "Good" part sounded like separate audio said to the Tiger.) and imagined it was voiced by Robin Williams, though I couldn't be positive it was him. After reading mixed opinions about the scene on the usenet, I decided to give it another listen a week or two later, this time at my sister's apartment on her 13" monaural TV. We both had a hard time hearing it that time and realized that the choice of TV and sound system was crucial to hearing. The first time was on a 27" TV hooked up to large amplified speakers and so it's no wonder the audio was more definable. There are clips of the scene on-line (YouTube and MySpace Video), but exactly what's being said is still not entirely clear from them and Google searches turn up opinions one way or another.

So what I'm wondering is this: Has there ever been any definitive analysis of the sound in question to resolve once and for all what was actually said? I'm talking a thorough analysis of an original Aladdin Laserdisc's audio, done with high end audio software? Something that breaks down the clip, separates and isolates the audio, perhaps slows it down and proves what it or isn't said? Audio analysis has been done with much more prominent sound clips such as recordings of the Kennedy assassination, Neil Armstrong's "giant leap" statement, and the Nixon tapes. Given the excruciating work done by fans to restore things like the original theatrical cut of the Star Wars trilogy, is it all that outrageous to ask if an audio engineer who is also a Disney fan do the same with this clip? 15 years after the film was released, I'd like to know for certain what was said and various on-line VHS captured audio clips and fan speculation have yet to provide me with an answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.113.170 (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The best online resource I know is Snope's article which includes sound clips, but it seems to have mistakes (differences between their own audio and transcript) and the clip origin is unclear (presumably VHS).
My analysis is on a post on IMDB boards too big to copy/paste here, but essentially careful listening on PC with headphones indicates "Come on good tiger, take off and go", with:
  • "tiger" possibly confused as "...girl"(with something before) or "ten'ger"("a" being skipped).
  • "and" unsure and possibly being "scat,", but not "their" or "your" (sounds too different).
  • "go" possibly being "clo..."(cut).
Director's comment track says it is "Come on good tiger, take off, scat, go". I will let others read, listen and decide what to put in Wikipedia. It is all highly subjective, beware of mondegreen.--Musaran (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Abu = Sabu

I had already put that information, but it had apparently been deleted : Abu the monkey is based on Abu the thief, the hero's sidekick, played by Sabu in the 1940 Thief of Bagdad. This is blindingly obvious if you compare the two pictures : besides the names, the two characters share many traits and play basically the same part in the story. Substituting a monkey for a teenage indian boy might be considered as a racial stereotype, but I tend to think that the change was based more on Sabu's (over)acting and character than on his ethnicity. Wedineinheck (talk) 12:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but that's original research.-Wafulz (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Just see the pictures. Anyway, as I don't want to bicker over stupid wikipedia rationales, I found an external reference for that. Wedineinheck (talk) 18:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Robin Williams dispute

I'm thinking the lengthy section about William's dispute with Disney, while relevant, should be shortened down quite a bit. The information is definetly worth moving onto say, the Robin Williams page or the Disney page. Any for this idea? Kokiri kid (talk) 08:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Take off your clothes

Let me find the confirmation, but it says "take off and go". The problem with determining exactly what it says is the power of suggestion though- saying it says one thing and then hearing it changes how you hear it. user: fadethebutcher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.155.49 (talk) 07:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

He's being stalked by a tiger - a large FELINE. I don't get why everyone hears this "take off your clothes" - everytime I've EVER heard it, I clearly hear "Look, a mouse!". Which makes obvious sense, hoping to distract the cat with it's natural prey, the humor being that Rajah's a bit LARGER than your typical cat. People are so stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.195.252.194 (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Character information

In this edit, "plot" information was removed from the Cast section in favor of casting information. I think the new casting information is great, and fully support its inclusion. However, the information that was removed was not all plot summary. Most of it involved a summary of the characterizations of the characters, which I think is important to have. It's one thing to describe what all the characters do; it's another thing entirely to describe who they are. I would recommend we add back some of that information. Powers T 19:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Such summaries go against the WP:MOSFILM and is really not appropriate for a high quality film article as it also generally involves WP:OR and personal interpretation rather than factual information. People reading the plot summary can get a rough idea, usually, but the article isn't a substitute for watching the film. The cast list itself really should go as well, as the few bits of information in partakes would be better served as prose under production. Who voiced what can go in the plot section in parentheticals.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I took a look at the relevant section in that guideline. I think it supports my position, so long as a cast list is going to exist. If we incorporate the casting information into the prose of the article (plot and production sections), then the character information in the plot section needs to be expanded slightly with some the information that was removed. Powers T 19:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Not really. In both examples of standalone cast sections with prose, the prose is related to real-world casting/portrayal info, not just a summary of who the character is. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any information that was relevant in the previous cast section. It had information on the next films, characters that were not cast, wrong information, and just reiterated the plot. --Peppagetlk 19:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, for example, Razoul isn't mentioned at all in the plot summary. Abu is also glossed over; the plot section states that he steals the ruby and the lamp but doesn't explain why (namely, that he worked with Aladdin on the streets to steal food). Little things like that. Powers T 20:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
That's a failing of the plot summary then and should be corrected. I noticed multiple edits to the plot to reduce the length, but may want to check to see if any other important info is removed. Razoul? ~trying to remember who that was~ -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Rasoul was the head of the palace guards. In this movie, he was essentially Jafar's head lackey. He had a couple of short scenes, but was really a minor character. His role was expanded in future movies and the TV show, but for the purposes of this particular movie he's trivial. -Dewelar (talk) 21:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but that's sorta my point, AnmaFinotera; to correct it as you say, we should include some of the information that Peppage removed. Powers T 13:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I didn't add anything to the plot because it's been so long since I've seen the movie. It was only requested in the GAR that it be made shorter and I did that by about 170 words. I wanted to include information about the actual cast not about the characters in the cast section. Apu is cute but he only really affects the plot when he touches the ruby in the cave. --Peppagetlk 21:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The lamp: rubbed or patted?

In almost all cases, Aladdin releases the genie by "rubbing" the lamp. But if you watched the movie, when Aladding releases the genie for the first time, he actually patted the lamp rather than rubbing it. Something in the plot summary should be re-edited. 124.106.203.179 (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like splitting hairs. Cactusjump (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

no he rubs it to read the writing, no overt patting motion. Even if he did pat, which is not what is animated, it would be pendantic to mention it in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.44.198 (talk) 15:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aladdin (1992 film)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: /\\//\|_()|\| (talk) 09:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Agree. The article is culturally and aesthetically significant, well-written, and well sourced, and I therefore have no complaints about it. To GA status with it! /\\//\|_()|\| (talk) 09:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll be doing a full review of the article tomorrow. It's a really nice one from what I've read so far. I found one problem already though, Ref #12 (animation podcast) is a dead link and needs to be replaced. Wizardman 05:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Here are a few issues I found, aside from the one above:

  • "since it is just a square shape, who expresses himself through pantomime - "It's sort of like acting by origami"." Quotes need cite right after.
  • The "other major themes" sentence feels like a run on, even with the dashes. Should probably be split into 3-4 sentences.

I'll put this on hold and pass when everything's fixed, which should only take a few days since there's not much. Wizardman 17:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good now, so the article passes as a GA. Wizardman 15:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Framing Device

It might not be very notable, but I can't help but noticed there seems to be no mention of the very first scene with the salesman and the camel. Wasn't too sure if this should be pointed out in the characters pageg or the main page but some information on him would be great next time I attempt to prove he exists by going onto Wikipedia. 71.46.49.251 (talk) 15:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Should we mention the Lamassu?

It has this mention: "a gold Lamassu can be found in the scene where Aladdin and Abu enter the cave in the desert to find the lamp." It seems to add to cultural references. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 03:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 190.175.0.21, 1 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

In the Legacy section, specifically "Sequels and spin-offs", the last sentence of the second paragraph ("The film was turned into a TV show Aladdin_(TV_series)") seems to be redundant and wrongly formatted. I think it is meant to talk about the tv series that is already mentioned above with better grammar, and should therefore be removed entirely.

190.175.0.21 (talk) 05:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed.  Chzz  ►  09:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done

Why isn't there a section for the soundtrack? A Whole New World was 18th on the billboard 100 for some time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benschar (talk • contribs) 12:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

racist

if you plan on having islamic extremists views on this at the top of the page make it fair by adding then reasons why they throught that and not making disney look bad without fair real proper reasons for there cristism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.199.25 (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The part about the main good character being anglo american in style and accent abnd other charcters having Arab accents is misleading,inaccurate and should be edited, infact, the leading "baddie" of the movie has a pronounced upper-class English accent and his parrot a strong US accent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.44.198 (talk) 15:52, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

but Aladdin is chinese!!! enough with white people yellow facing!!! ;P

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Page moved to Aladdin (Disney film). The opposition comes from the fact that using 1992 or film for disambiguation is still ambiguous. The opposition is not about moving the article. Aladdin (Disney film) seems to meet the precision requirements and matches the disambiguation form for the other film from 1992, Aladdin (Golden Films film). One the job queue clears the transclussions, drop me a note and I'll change Aladdin (1992 film) to point to the redirect page. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Aladdin (1992 film) → Aladdin (film) —

For a while, this article was at Aladdin (1992 film) with a link to Aladdin (Golden Films film) at the top. Then, this page was moved to Aladdin (film) in response to the fact that the date was not a logical way to dis-ambiguate this film. However, after a while the golden films film's article was moved to Aladdin (1993 film) in response to hearing that the film's release year was 1993, and this article was moved back to Aladdin (1992 film). Still later, however, the Golden Films film was moved back to Aladdin (Golden Films film) in response to hearing once again that it was released in 1992. If the Golden Films film's release year is indeed 1992, this article should be titled Aladdin (film). Georgia guy (talk) 23:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Agree. Both the current title and the proposed new title are ambiguous. Rejectwater (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree. Aladdin (Disney film) or Aladdin (1992 Disney film) as proposed by Tassedethe both work. Rejectwater (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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Computer animated?

While there are some scenes that have some computer animation, to characterize this film as being "computer animated" is misleading, if not blatantly wrong. (see the first sentence of the introduction) 70.15.11.44 (talk) 04:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You're right. It might have been vandalism, but I've fixed it. Thanks for the heads-up! Erik (talk | contribs) 15:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph Citation?

As an Arabic fan of both Aladdin and Alf Layla wa Layla, may I know where did this "despite some criticism from Arabs who considered the film racist" sentence stem from? --2.90.180.113 (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Aladdin (1992 film)#Controversies. igordebraga ≠ 01:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

The sentence should be cited correctly, your link does not give source citation and such standards are needed for such a bold sentence. It should either be properly sourced or deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.44.198 (talk) 15:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Protagonists?

Some may definitely disagree with me here, but I feel that the term "protagonist" refers specifically to the single lead character, the hero. The term "protagonists" is used twice to refer to all 'goodies' in the movie. My understanding is that the plural should be reserved for discussion of multiple movies. e.g. One might say that Luke Skywalker and Aladdin are both protagonists, but we couldn't talk about the protagonists of the movie Aladdin, or the protagonists of the movie Star Wars.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like sloppy grammar to me, and I think it should be changed to "main characters" or something like that. Just putting it out there for discussion. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.1.150 (talk) 22:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, you're correct, though I think colloquial usage doesn't draw as bright a line as that. Powers T 14:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Design and Animation

In this section- "Unusually for an animated film..." kind of clumsy wording, isn't it. This part of the paragraph highlights the fact that much of Williams' dialogue was ad-libbed which is unusual to be sure, but the truly unusual thing about the recording and animation is that the dialogue is recorded first and the character animation is added after; it's more like a voice-under, and should be highlighted as much, if not more than the ad-libbing, but it reads like an afterthought in the last few words.Dcrasno (talk) 00:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Animating to the vocal performance is not unusual; it's standard practice in modern feature animation. Powers T 21:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

But that was 1992. Was this the first voice-under?24.146.168.81 (talk) 22:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

No, Disney has been animating that way for decades, AFAIK. Powers T 02:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
With the exception of the earliest sound Mickey Mouse cartoons, dialogue for the Disney cartoons has always been recorded before any animation was done (the recorded tracks are analyzed and charted by syllable for the animators' use in animating mouth movements). This was and is the practice industry-wide in American animation from the 1930s to today; the only studio to buck the trend was Fleischer Studios, where the entire soundtrack (music, sound effects, and dialogue) was post-dubbed all at once until the late 1930s (this is why Popeye the Sailor mumbles a lot without his lips moving). --FuriousFreddy (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree, but I've been watching documentaries on TV and special features on DVD's for years and they all show voice actors reading from a script against animation or film. You say Disney has been using voice-unders for decades. Any examples?? Why would they do that?? The only logical reason to do a voice-under was Robin Williams' rocket-fire, ad-libbed delivery.Dcrasno (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Even on Disney features, the voice actors will often be called back in to "loop" dialogue over the animation; perhaps that's what you've seen. But the majority of the voice-over work ("voice-under" is not a term in use in the industry) is done prior to final animation.
My Google-fu is a bit weak today, but I'm sure I could find more concrete examples if needed. But in some cases, you need only look at when the recording was done in comparison to the completion of the film to know that the audio came first; for example, see Shrek#Production. Powers T 00:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Ali Baba

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article that the Disney adaptation of the Aladdin story is actually a mixture of Aladdin and Ali Baba. The whole secret cave aspect comes from Ali Baba. If nobody has an issue with this being mentioned , I (or anyone that wishes to do so after giving people the time to respond here) will add it to the article at a later date. Please speak up here. 176.67.82.202 (talk) 06:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

You can't just put it in without referring to external sources that have previously made the same analysis. Besides, I don't see much overlap here, except of course with the third movie, Aladdin and the King of Thieves (the article for that film does mention the connection). Powers T 02:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Aladdin replaced by Cinderella on Diamond Collection

Cinderella is released on Diamond Edition on Blu-ray on October 2, 2012 (unlike the re-release of Aladdin) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.65.162.244 (talk) 16:03, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Cinderella takes instead of the re-release of Aladdin

Aladdin was not replaced by Fantasia, it was replaced by Cinderella on Diamond Collection — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.149.42 (talk) 15:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

3D version release?

Cinderella is taken instead in the Blu-ray release of Aladdin, because Disney is only delaying the release of Blu-ray Aladdin (1992) and Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001), just because of that, you think I'm crazy, right? You can not cancel the release of Aladdin (Diamond Edition) and Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2-Movie Collection) because you're crossing the line and exaggerating that cancellation of the Disney classics releases on Blu-ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.149.42 (talk) 01:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Blu-ray release?

Cinderella is taken instead in the Blu-ray release of Aladdin, because Disney is only delaying the release of Blu-ray Aladdin (1992) and Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001), just because of that, you think I'm crazy, right? You can not cancel the release of Aladdin (Diamond Edition) and Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2-Movie Collection) because you're crossing the line and exaggerating that cancellation of the Disney classics releases on Blu-ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.149.42 (talk) 01:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Blu-ray?

Unconfirmed blu-ray release!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.149.42 (talk) 13:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Disney Digital 3-D reissue?

Confirm Aladdin on Disney Digital 3-D!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.130.101 (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

20th Anniversary Edition cancellation!

The 20th Anniversary Edition of Aladdin is cancelled because the release of Cinderella on Blu-ray! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.130.101 (talk) 01:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

20th Anniversary Edition on Blu-ray is not confirmed

20th Anniversary Edition unconfirmed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.130.101 (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 January 2013

I am requesting that Aladdin's place on the list of highest grossing animated films be updated. This line of the code:

As of 2010, it is the eighteenth highest grossing animated film and the third highest grossing traditionally animated feature worldwide, behind The Lion King and The Simpsons Movie.

should be changed to:

As of 2013, it is the twenty-sixth highest grossing animated film and the third highest grossing traditionally animated feature worldwide, behind The Lion King and The Simpsons Movie.

147.51.39.164 (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Done RudolfRed (talk) 03:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Blu-ray release?

We have to confirm Aladdin on Blu-ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.130.101 (talk) 17:36, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Robin Williams as the Merchant?

I believe this should be changed as there is no source stating that Robin Williams voiced the Merchant in the film according to the liner notes of the soundtrack Bruce Adler is the singing vocals for the merchant and both speaking and singing they sound as if they are the same person. Unless someone can show that Bruce Adler is an alternative name for Robin Williams I believe this statement to be false and I have read the Entertainment Weekly source and I see no where that it claims that Robin Williams is the Merchant and I only see it mentioned that he is the Genie and the mention of the impersonations he makes as the Genie character. So I see no reason why this claims the Merchant as the Robin Williams so this should be removed. Also I would like to mention that there is no credits for the Merchant other then in the song section of the film's end credits, which also credits Bruce Alder as the voice. Just thought I'd point this out so someone can correct the information. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 03:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Comments

I'd like to point out the lines that mention Robin Williams that is used as the source to claim he is the Merchant:

  • Quote 1: "and the studio knows it has the perfect lure in Robin Williams' vocal turn as the Genie, a big, blue, lamp-dwelling landmark in 'toon history."
  • Quote 2: "with Williams' mimicry. At the drop of a straight line — any line, really — the actor's uncorked alter ego contorts into impersonations of such boomer-generation icons as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arsenio Hall, Groucho Marx (in black and white), Robert De Niro, Peter Lorre, and William F. Buckley Jr., who shows up to explain a few Latinate limitations on Aladdin's wishes."
  • Qoute 3: "While Katzenberg nourishes his staff's desire to show off for a more mature audience, he's also not about to abandon Disney's base: the little ones (an Aladdin Saturday-morning TV series is already under way, sans Williams)."

The second quote is the impersonations he makes as Genie. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 03:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Some decided that changing the words was going to make up for the lack of the source not stating that Robin Williams was the Merchant. I see no where in there that it says that and I'd like someone to show me where it says that. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 23:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Done Vacation9 12:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Production issues in Aladdin

After Howard Ashman tragically died, the film took on a completely new direction, with less focus being placed on the dark epic story, and more being a showcase for Robbin Williams; antics, and the 3D technical advancements of the time. This resulted in major plot shifts, addition and subtraction of many songs, and inclusion/removal of major characters. There is little to no mention of this in the article. I would attempt to add it muself but being a GA article I am not sure how much hostility I'd get for "messing with perfection".--Coin945 (talk) 05:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Robin Williams In A Rerelease Of Return Of Jafar?

This article claims Robin Williams replaced Dan Castalanetta's lines on a rerelease of Return Of Jafar, but I am unable to find evidence that such a rerelease exists. It doesn't even mention it on the Return Of Jafar page. If such a release does in fact exist, please include a link to some evidence and update the Return Of Jafar page to include it as well. If not, well... It might just be wrong... 50.130.11.182 (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

This situation proves that Wikipedia is not only completely and totally unreliable, but that they prefer it that way. For all most two weeks, this page has had a glaring inaccuracy reported and requested for change. This article is the only source on the entire internet that claims Robin Williams voiced the Genie in Return Of Jafar. Not even the Return Of Jafar page makes that claim. But, in spite of this glaring LIE, the article remains unchanged, locked from future change, and sporting a "good" article status. Good article, my ass. But, if a page with lies that have remain unchanged in light of of their being reported for weeks has a "good" status, then that means the average article is terribly inaccurate and maliciously misrepresented. But, that's the way Wikipedia prefers it, no? If you want to prove me wrong, provide evidence that Robin Williams was in Return Of Jafar or remove the claim from the page. And, whatever you do, REMOVE the "good" article status. Even if that false claim is removed, it was on there for weeks after it was reported, and God knows how long it was before, which makes this article most certainly NOT good.50.130.11.182 (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Done. I've had a look at the source, and I don't think it supports the statement "In a later release of The Return of Jafar, Williams recorded the lines for the Genie, replacing Castellaneta's role in that film as well." and I have removed it.
That being said and done, IP ought to create an account, log in, and start editing. Passive-aggressive venting as above serves no purpose. Sam Sailor Sing 18:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah... That's exactly what I want to do. Create a Wikipedia account and be associated with this website. It's good that you fixed the error, though. Gotta give you credit on that one.50.130.11.182 (talk) 04:59, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Omission of key element of the original story -- new lamps for old

I find it interesting that in writing the script for the Disney version of the Aladdin story, they omitted the part of the story which actually contains the key moral element of the original tale -- it's raison d'être -- which is that the sorcerer was able to steal the lamp back by disguising himself as a peddler who is trading "new lamps for old". I wonder if there should be a section of the article mentioning this? --Thoric (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2014

Under the Robin Williams part there's the following line: "... for a public apology ...", which should instead say "an", referring to the word apology.

95.166.11.230 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done That's not the way it works - the indefinite article (a or an) is determined by the sound of the word immediately afterwards, not the noun to which it refers.
If the sound is a vowel, use an, if not use a; hence "an egg", "an hour" "a eulogy" "a history" - Arjayay (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on August 16 2014

In the Cast and Characters section, 11th bullet point, Gazeem's name is misspelled as Gaeem in the second sentence.


Celebrity Voice Acting

I've added a small note about how Williams in Aladdin marks the transition to celebrity voice acting. I believe this is widely circulated trivia, and found one solid reference, and I'm sure more could be found if necessary. Does anyone have an issue with this?

Gsnixon (talk) 09:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


Aladdin (1992 Disney film) → Aladdin (Disney film) – The current title implies that Disney have made more than one film called "Aladdin" - surely sometimes we don't need years as disambiguation. Unreal7 (talk) 21:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2015

At the top of the article there is the the follow line about other uses of the name Aladdin.

This page is about the 1992 Disney film. For the Disney franchise, see Disney's Aladdin (franchise). For other uses, see Disney's Aladdin (disambiguation).

{{About|the 1992 Disney film|the Disney franchise|Disney's Aladdin (franchise)|other uses|Disney's Aladdin (disambiguation)}}


This is not useful for anyone looking for other uses of the name Aladdin, in fact the 2nd page link is just a list of what the first link discusses and I believe that page could even be deleted.

Instead it would be much more helpful if the first line of the article was changed to:

This page is about the 1992 Disney film. For the Disney franchise, see Disney's Aladdin (franchise). For other uses, see Aladdin (disambiguation).

{{About|the 1992 Disney film|the Disney franchise|Disney's Aladdin (franchise)|other uses|Aladdin (disambiguation)}}

98.127.63.109 (talk) 16:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Agreed.  Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:41, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Genie's Page

The link for Genie in the character section leads to List of Aladdin Characters#Genie.

The Genie is more notable than any other character in the movie, and is getting a prequel about only him.

I propose that a separate character page be made about the Genie, rather than a section in another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.203.210 (talk) 20:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

according to ending credits

the ending credits of the movie that shows voice actors lists aaron blaise as rajah`s voice actor, kathy zielinsky as jafar as beggar/snake, t.daniel hofstedt as gazeem/achmed and phil yound and chris wahl as guards.84.212.73.96 (talk) 23:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

pixar also involved

in the ending credits pixar is listed with 3 people: thomas hahn, peter nye and michael a. shantzis. that means that pixar should be included in the info box.84.212.73.96 (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Any chance of a list of Characters?

The list of people who did the voices is interesting, but conveys nothing about the story and the plot. And ultimately they are ephemeral. It would really be good to have a description of the film in this article, for people (like me) who haven't seen it. quota (talk) 15:34, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Aladdin (1992 Disney film) - Aladdin (1992 film) – There is more page views for the Disney film but I think there is less page views for the other unrelated film. 2A02:C7D:5693:B800:5551:6131:94CE:CE6E (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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