Talk:Ahir/Archive 3

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Archive 3

No ahir people look like this??

Change the picture THE YADAVS (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

no yadav people is good and wealthy this is fake photo Abhishek6353 (talk) 08:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

yadav are good and wealthy please paste the photo of Rao Tularam sing veer lorik ahir, rao gopaldev singh Abhishek6353 (talk) 08:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2022

Sir please remove that photo which you set on tha ahir Wikipedia profiles because of some of ahir are very angry for that picture so please sir remove that photo form ahir profile please do it fast sir

Thankuu sir

 Not done: WP:NOTCENSORED ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2022

Sir please remove photo that you have post on this page because of very ahir are angry for that please remove fast Thanku

 Not done: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:16, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

The user has changed anything without consensus

Undo the edits made by User:RS6784 on 29 April 2022 and before. There is continous disruptive editing by a user User:RS6784. He has changed entire content of the page without any consensus and removed many info like Name of Ahirs in Haryana. The account seems to be single purpose account and for degrading community like Ahir, Yadav and Jat People. Please expiernced editors have a look and revert the changes until any consensus is achieved. Please have a look User:Dr.Pinsky, ScottishFinnishRadish, User:RegentsPark , User:HinduKshatrana Blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. This should be handled through discussion, rather than reverts via edit requests. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:He has made all the edits without any consensus and completely changed the page please have a look on edit history Kaminthdas (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC) :Please stop him from disrupting every ahir and yadav page Kaminthdas (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Blocked sockRS6784 (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Again, please establish a consensus through discussion. No one is going to edit war on your behalf. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

::Has he established consensus before editing? Cant u see he has removed all the information and added anything Kaminthdas (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Blocked sockRS6784 (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC) ::According to modern historian Jeffrey Greenhunt on military history, "The Martial Race theory had an elegant symmetry. Indians who were intelligent and educated were defined as cowards, while those defined as brave were uneducated and backward". According to Amiya Samanta, the marital race was chosen from people of mercenary spirit (a soldier who fights for any group or country that will pay him/her), as these groups lacked nationalism as a trait. This is not referenced Kaminthdas (talk) 14:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC) Blocked sockRS6784 (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Exactly this is what i wanted to say a day before. This user is completely castist and defame other castes. Baidy540 — Preceding undated comment added 14:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC) Blocked sockRS6784 (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

• CU note: I've blocked Baidy540 and Kaminthdas for socking.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2022

Change image to

File:Ahir with Ahirani in kathiyawad, Gujarat.jpg

Ethnic group Ahir

. The existing image seem to be completely biased and not from neutral point of view.

• A book written long before sanskritisation by James Todd "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan 1829"

I think the images are from biased point of view and to degrade a particular community, but when we look on the other peasent pastoral communities like Gujjar, Jat People and Rajput, images are added for the glorification of a particular community. Professional editors please have a look.Blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 07:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I actually removed it for now, until I see an explicit consensus to include. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect info

To experts @RegentsPark:, @Fowler&fowler:, @Slatersteven:, It has been pointed out here that Morchopna, Bodanones, Bhandaria were princely states, I couldn't find a reliable references describing it as such. On the other hand, what I found is they were just small villages with very low population and revenue. This is what I found wrt to Bodanones, here - [[2]] some table of Raj-Era and it doesn't clears out the full details of it. I don't think it was any such state. RS6784 (talk) 08:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Seems a valid objection, I am also wondering if you can call a lone fort (for example) a kingdom. Slatersteven (talk) 09:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2022

There is no need to mention sanskritisation in first paragraph, secondly it is related to Yadavs and not Ahirs. And at the last if there is separate paragraph for sanakritisation no need to mention it in lead.

All disruption made by User RS6784 must be reversed.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Sanskritisation is covered in the article, and the lead is a summary of the article, so it makes sense that it is covered in the lead. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

8 May

Can the author Lucia Michelutti be trusted? (Personal attack removed) 2409:4053:80A:C5EB:0:0:1C09:68B0 (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

You'll need a most descriptive reason of the problems with Michelutti's authorship and research. And please leave personal attacks out of it. —C.Fred (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect information

Why is that under sanskritisation section it is explicitly mentioned "Hindu shudra caste"? Shudra is not a caste but a varna (read about it). A group or person does not define the varna of an entire caste. It varies from person to person. Has Wikipedia become a stage for solidifying caste discrimination in India? 122.180.185.247 (talk) 13:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

remove false information

Very untrue information has been put in this which is trying to humiliate a community 2409:4053:2019:2ACD:0:0:1131:F8A1 (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You'll need to be more specific and provide reliable sources backing up your assertion. —C.Fred (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia mentioned kamaliya as ahir but this cast is related to "kathi"

Please correct this thing 2409:4041:2D94:79FA:0:0:F488:B11 (talk) 06:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

What are your sources? —C.Fred (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

It could be a mispelled/ mispronounced version of Kamariya Ahir as Kamariya is a sub-caste of Ahirs.

Source: Michelutti, Lucia (2002). Sons of Krishna: the politics of Yadav community formation in a North Indian town (PDF). London School of Economics and Political Science University of London. pp. 94, 95. Retrieved 15 March 2016. Defiancial (talk) 07:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2023

JAY MURLIDHAR AHIR (talk) 08:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

@JAY MURLIDHAR AHIR Sorry, but you'll need to make a specific edit request. —C.Fred (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Ahir is synonymous for yadava, in many ved purana ahir is called for yadav. Every ahir,gop,gwal is yadava.ahir(yadav)is supreme of all,lord krishna is also lineage form yadav caste.they belongs to vrishni of ahir(yadav) clan. Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2023

202.142.121.172 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bestagon ⬡ 20:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove false information

Yadav/ahir is a kstriye caste which has lots of kingdoms and princely states like Rewari ahirwal in Haryana ahirwada in Madhya Pradesh Gopal dynasty and Mahispal dynasty Yadav dynasty in devgiri 103.110.48.57 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Greetings wiki editors 😊

To prevent edit wars in this page I would suggest the administrator of this page to remove the “Non-elite” word from the page

it is very evident that people from Ahir community have held important positions as leaders and chiefs in the past and cannot be called “traditionally non elite” as it is a bit offensive towards some people

Also i would be happy to edit this page if permission given !

Thank you 😊 Sxnskar (talk) 16:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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File:Https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rao Bal Krishna.jpg

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2023

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103.220.158.40 (talk) 07:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

sir\mam The pictures you have posted please remove that picture becuse the picture you posted is very old. you can put ahir royal picture like rewari royal house and you can put rao tularam picuture. becuse our community now days change now we have india no 1 political power and everything we have now days. that picture was very old. you can put lord shree krishna picture accourding to veds and puran. so please change the picture that you posted in front page......

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Tollens (talk) 10:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

These are the pictures you can add. These contain common ahir photo and ahir contribution in Indian freedom struggle 183.83.208.240 (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 October 2023

change North India distribution to include Ahirwal region. Ahirwal is a region spanning parts of southern Haryana , north-eastern Rajasthan, and South-Western Delhi The region was once a small principality based from the town of Rewari and controlled by members of the Yaduvanshi Ahir community from around the time when the Mughal empire was in decline. Geographically, the Ahirwal region spreads across Gurgaon, Rewari, Mahendergarh, parts of Bhiwani and Jhajjar in Haryana and Alwar, Neem ka Thana and parts of Jhunjhunu, Kotpuli(in Jaipur) in Rajasthan, and Najafgarh and surrounding area in South West Delhi.

Sources - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/gurgaon/why-the-ahirwal-region-wants-an-army-regiment-named-after-it/articleshow/90406899.cms Sources- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/nishant-chandravanshi/ahirwal-farmers-came-under-british-in-1857-32070/ Sources - https://www.ijccr.com/September2012/6.pdf Raosahab22 (talk) 04:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Already done The statement in the North India section already states: "...the region is therefore known as Ahirwal or the abode of Ahirs." Liu1126 (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

You seems to be ignorant of the request. The Ahirwal region mentioned in the page doesn't contain whole area that's why I have added the source articles.

The page is full of error and whoever added the information is ill informed person about the Ahir community 183.83.208.240 (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by it not containing the whole area. Are you talking about an Ahirwal different to the one defined in the article? The article for Ahirwal itself includes most of the subregions described in your proposal. If you believe that there are some important subregions missing, you may propose an edit on Talk:Ahirwal. I don't think it is critical to list all the subregions on this article, since interested readers can always follow the wikilinks to the other one. Liu1126 (talk) 17:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Having different subregions in different wikilinks adds to the confusion of the reader. Subregions are important that's why they are added in this wiki page otherwise editor could have just added the wikilink of Ahirwal. If you are providing subregions than add accurate data incomplete data is source of ambiguity. 183.83.209.152 (talk) 04:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

You can add these subregions Geographically, the Ahirwal region spreads across Gurgaon, Rewari, Mahendergarh, parts of Bhiwani and Jhajjar in Haryana and Alwar, Neem ka Thana and parts of Jhunjhunu, Kotpuli(in Jaipur) in Rajasthan, and Najafgarh and surrounding area in South West Delhi. 183.83.209.152 (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Add only missing subregions. 183.83.209.152 (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Do not re-open edit requests which have been contested by an editor unless a mutual compromise is made (or 1 editor concedes) wherein neither participant can enact the edit. —Sirdog (talk) 07:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2023 (3)

Change description from "Ahir or Aheer are a community of traditionally non-elite pastoralists in India", Ahir or Aheer are a community of traditionally agriculturist, warrior caste and engaged in animal husbandry

As the British census,1881 says In the Punjáb they are now almost exclusively agricultural, and stand in quite the first rank as husbandmen, being as good as the Kamboh and somewhat superior to the Jat.

Ahir is a fighting caste from historical background.In 1920, the British government classified the Ahirs as an "agricultural caste", which at that time was synonymous with a " combatant caste", they had been recruited in the army for a long time. The British Government had formed four companies of Ahirs, two of which were in the 95th Russell Infantry.The bravery and sacrifice of Ahir soldiers at the Rejangla front by the Ahir Company of 13 Kumaon Regiment during the Indo-China war of 1962 is still praised in India. And in memory of his bravery the battle site memorial was named "Ahir Dham". They also serve in the "Rajput Regiment", "Kumaon Regiment", "Jat Regiment", "Rajputana Rifles", "Bihar Regiment", "Grenadiers" of the Indian Army. Even today, single units of Ahirs are present in armored corps and artillery in the Indian armed forces.

Sources - https://amritmahotsav.nic.in/district-reopsitory-detail.htm?10864 Raosahab22 (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The source you provided doesn't contain information supporting your statement. Perhaps you accidentally copy-pasted the source from your previous request? Liu1126 (talk) 13:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

source is about replacing the photo of the ahir Rao tula ram with the old photo. Also the source contain contribution of ahir in 1857 revolt that clearly indicate warrior caste status.

I am attaching source for Ahir as agriculturist.

Please read the edit request carefully and don't be in hurry to just reject them it's seems lack of effort and ignorance on your part.

Other Source - https://theprint.in/india/ex-servicemen-raise-demand-for-ahir-regiment-in-indian-army/1269857/

Source - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/nishant-chandravanshi/ahirwal-farmers-came-under-british-in-1857-32070/ 183.83.208.240 (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Contribution of Ahir in rezang LA and Ahir dham built by Indian Army clearly indicates warrior caste.

Source - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travelogues/139549-ahir-dham-zero-km-ladakh-tribute-travelogue.html 183.83.208.240 (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Contribution of Ahir in rezang LA and Ahir dham built by Indian Army clearly indicates warrior caste.

And contribution of Rao balkishan in defending India against the Nadir shah invasion this shows histrically Ahir as warrior and martial caste.

I can provide more data but that be too much for such a small edit request.

Source - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travelogues/139549-ahir-dham-zero-km-ladakh-tribute-travelogue.html

Source -https://www.bhaskar.com/local/haryana/rohtak/rewari/news/martyrs-day-of-veer-amar-shaheed-rao-balkishan-celebrated-in-nangal-pathani-128254998.html

Source - https://veerbhumiahirwal.blogspot.com/2018/07/rao-balkishan.html 183.83.208.240 (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Change description from traditional non elite caste pastrolist to agriculturist, warrior caste and engaged in animal husbandry

Ahir history mentioned clearly in Indian Parliament and no one can speak here without authentic data and has to submit data and report in the parliament.

source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmvHMgPyvN0 183.83.208.240 (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: 1. Agriculture stuff is already in the second paragraph. 2. Only bhaskar might qualify as an RA for the warrior statement and Google translate says it only claims there’s an Ahir regiment. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Add Rao tula ram photo in early ruler and kingdoms, remove sanskritisation section as it contain wrong information and data

1)Adminstrators could add the picture of famous Ahir Ruler Rao Tula Ram in History or military involvement section.

2) Sanskritisation could be added in History section instead of making a separate column and was added without any consensus. Sources say that the Ahirs used Yadavs long before the sanskritisation 3)The Yadavs, who in their turn are identified with the Ahirs and Gaolis, were the dominant race at that time. To be added in the lead which seems to be written from a derogatory pov.

Raja Rao Tula Ram(An Ahir Ruler of Ahirwal(Rewari))[[1]]

106.210.99.23 (talk) 08:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please explain why and please provide a reliable source RegentsPark (comment) 21:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

All the caste pages like Jats Rajputs have photos of their kings and even dynasties. So why must not be a question here. Even for improving the article some dynasties like Ahirwal, Bundelkhand Estate could be added.

Yeah refrences could be asked for, i am attaching them

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<> 110.225.88.248 (talk) 11:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: I apologize, but a similar request was declined two months ago due to disagreements in implementing this change. It's advisable to seek consensus first and then resubmit your request using an edit request template. – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:20, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Add below information to Maharashtra section under distribution

From Khandesh through Nashik, the Ahir Community is spread across parts of Ahmednagar district in Maharashtra. This community is mainly found in the bordering talukas of Nashik like Sangamner, Kopargaon, Rahta, Srirampur. In Maharashtra older generation of the Ahirs dress and jewelery are similar to the Rajasthani Gujarati Ahir community. The new generation has adopted the local customs and dress. Sudhirraut49 (talk) 06:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Changing the section name of the edit request will make no difference in whether the request will be accepted or not when the request does not follow format. Shadow311 (talk) 17:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 December 2023

Add 94th Russell's Infantry ahir company to military involvments 183.83.212.156 (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 11:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Deltaspace why this in unclear to you. Are you an uneducated person. The request clearly says to add to military involvement section contribution of 94th russell infantry. And if this is not reliable information I would wonder what would you call a reliable information. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

References

The article already includes a reference to the 95th Russell's infantry (the text of the cited source says 95th and not 94th). RegentsPark (comment) 21:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Add Bhadanaka Kingdom to kingdoms in history section

The Bhadanaka Kingdom was a medieval kingdom in India that included the Rewari, Bhiwani, Mahendragarh regions of Haryana and parts of Alwar in Rajasthan during the 11th and 12th centuries. According to historian Prof. Dashratha Sharma they were of Ahir caste. 183.83.153.97 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Shadow311 (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Shadow311 are you a stupid person the edit request has clearly mentioned that it wants to add a Ahir ruler kingdom into the page under kingdom section of History. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. F O R M A T Shadow311 (talk) 17:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Shadow311 these are auto generated reply without even bothering to look into the content of the request. You really don't want to add anything to this page and preventing others also by answering in negative to requests. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done You need to clearly specify the text you would like to see added to the article and indicate exactly where you would like to add it. RegentsPark (comment) 21:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey stupid editor add Bhadanaka Kingdom to kingdoms in history section(the title itslef says it who has made you editor I think you are illiterate and uneducated.) 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Changing non elite pastoralists to traditionally agricultural/ ethnic group.

Stating ahirs as non elite has been a matter of dispute for a long time. Senior editors please have a look on similar caste pages Gujjar, Jat. They state the current position of the tribe, adding non elite in lead is not justifiable. refrences= 1) "The Yadavs, who in their turn are identified with the Ahirs and Gaolis, were the dominant race at that time. 2) 106.210.96.85 (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

183.83.154.61 (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Sources from the British Raj are not considered to be reliable. RegentsPark (comment) 21:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

This is official document of that time. Some stupid editor has added this information without any source and if we are giving source of traditional occupation than you are saying it is not reliable. Even official document of British raj are accepted by government of India and supreme court of India. I think you hate the community or you are really dumb. 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit Recreating the past for new identity under Sanskritisation section

Remove "It was from the 1920s that some Ahirs began to adopt the name of Yadav" and add British census, 1881 information. As the British census in 1881, half century before Yadav mahasabha(1920) was formed, the census mentions Yadavas as Ahirs and Goalis. It says "The Yadavs, who in their turn are identified with the Ahirs and Gaolis, were the dominant race at that time. 2409:4085:9C02:4837:0:0:88C9:610 (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

You can raise a edit request for the same from view sources, request a edit 110.225.88.248 (talk) 11:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Read it you illiterate stupid editor 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 December 2023

Add 94th Russell's Infantry ahir company to military involvments 183.83.212.156 (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 11:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Deltaspace why this in unclear to you. Are you an uneducated person. The request clearly says to add to military involvement section contribution of 94th russell infantry. And if this is not reliable information I would wonder what would you call a reliable information. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

References

The article already includes a reference to the 95th Russell's infantry (the text of the cited source says 95th and not 94th). RegentsPark (comment) 21:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Add Bhadanaka Kingdom to kingdoms in history section

The Bhadanaka Kingdom was a medieval kingdom in India that included the Rewari, Bhiwani, Mahendragarh regions of Haryana and parts of Alwar in Rajasthan during the 11th and 12th centuries. According to historian Prof. Dashratha Sharma they were of Ahir caste. 183.83.153.97 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Shadow311 (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Shadow311 are you a stupid person the edit request has clearly mentioned that it wants to add a Ahir ruler kingdom into the page under kingdom section of History. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. F O R M A T Shadow311 (talk) 17:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Shadow311 these are auto generated reply without even bothering to look into the content of the request. You really don't want to add anything to this page and preventing others also by answering in negative to requests. 183.83.155.102 (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done You need to clearly specify the text you would like to see added to the article and indicate exactly where you would like to add it. RegentsPark (comment) 21:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey stupid editor add Bhadanaka Kingdom to kingdoms in history section(the title itslef says it who has made you editor I think you are illiterate and uneducated.) 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Changing non elite pastoralists to traditionally agricultural/ ethnic group.

Stating ahirs as non elite has been a matter of dispute for a long time. Senior editors please have a look on similar caste pages Gujjar, Jat. They state the current position of the tribe, adding non elite in lead is not justifiable. refrences= 1) "The Yadavs, who in their turn are identified with the Ahirs and Gaolis, were the dominant race at that time. 2) 106.210.96.85 (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

183.83.154.61 (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Sources from the British Raj are not considered to be reliable. RegentsPark (comment) 21:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

This is official document of that time. Some stupid editor has added this information without any source and if we are giving source of traditional occupation than you are saying it is not reliable. Even official document of British raj are accepted by government of India and supreme court of India. I think you hate the community or you are really dumb. 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit Recreating the past for new identity under Sanskritisation section

Remove "It was from the 1920s that some Ahirs began to adopt the name of Yadav" and add British census, 1881 information. As the British census in 1881, half century before Yadav mahasabha(1920) was formed, the census mentions Yadavas as Ahirs and Goalis. It says "The Yadavs, who in their turn are identified with the Ahirs and Gaolis, were the dominant race at that time. 2409:4085:9C02:4837:0:0:88C9:610 (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

You can raise a edit request for the same from view sources, request a edit 110.225.88.248 (talk) 11:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Read it you illiterate stupid editor 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Tijara kingdom

Add Tijara kingdom of Ahirs into kingdom section under early history

In 850 Vikram Samvat, Yadav King Charu Rao was the king of Tijara.

The state of Rewari was carved out of a jungle-jagir by Rao Ruda Singh, an Ahir noble of Tijara, in 1555. Ruda Singh made Bolni village, south of Haryana his headquarters, 12 km to the east. He cleared the forests and established new villages

183.83.154.61 (talk) 10:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The provided source is not a reliable source. RegentsPark (comment) 21:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

It is reliable source of history of Rajasthan 183.83.153.24 (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

No, sorry; we don't consider such sources as reliable! You need to provide modern scholarly work by reliable authors. Ekdalian (talk) 16:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

change traditional occupation edit request on 14 January 2024

Change line "Ahir or Aheer are a community of traditionally non-elite pastoralists in India" to "The traditional occupations of Ahirs are pastrolism and agriculture." 183.83.158.64 (talk) 11:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide a modern scholarly work by reliable author, not such an unreliable website. Ekdalian (talk) 12:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Add bhadanaka kingdom in early history section

Bhadanaka include the modern day cities of Gurugram and mahendragarh , Rewari in present day Haryana as well as Alwar district present day Rajasthan. Historian's including Dasharatha Sharma agree on a opinion that they were from Ahir caste. The whole area is known as Ahirwal.

Referneces

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=V_Q5EAAAQBAJ&dq=bhadanaka+kingdom&pg=PT67&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bhadanaka%20kingdom&f=false

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=st8NAAAAYAAJ&q=Bhadanaka&dq=Bhadanaka&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7_KLfj-GDAxU7kq8BHXNNALAQ6AF6BAgGEAM#Abhira%20or%20Ahir%20to%20Bhadanaka 183.83.153.99 (talk) 10:58, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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change non-elite pastoralists to elite kings and cowheards Gurjayji (talk) 13:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Gurjayji, please provide reliable and verifiable sources (modern scholarly work by reliable authors) for the same, though it doesn't mean removal of existing reliably sourced content! Ekdalian (talk) 13:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ahirs are martial race 1.38.52.1 (talk) 01:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ahir/Yadavs were traditionally warrior-pastoralist.[3]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Google search results are not reliable. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Ahirs as Yadavs

The term Ahir is often seen as synonymous with Yadav, because these are two names of the same community. In the 1881 census records of the British empire, the Yadavs are identified as Ahirs. The Mahabharata and other authori-tative works use the three terms-Ahir, Yadav and Gopa synonymous. 2409:4085:8D1D:4B36:0:0:8849:DA09 (talk) 18:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 August 2024

In Madhya Pradesh and Khandesh numerous legends of abhir rule are popular among village folk. These living folk-tales and stories about ancient Abhira warriors, along with the various ahir dialects are proof of the heyday of the Abhiras.[4] 157.39.31.102 (talk) 18:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Remove the sentence "Ahirs adopted the Yadav name in the 19th century." Sources do not support such claims, and it is not accurate. "The British census in 1881 mentions Yadavs as Ahirs."[5] 2409:4085:9CB9:3BE3:0:0:8109:D413 (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I don't see the sentence "Ahirs adopted the Yadav name in the 19th century." in the article – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Macaddct1984, Remove the sentence "since late 19th century to early 20th century, Ahirs have adopted Yadav word for their community". The source I have given above is from 1881, in which it is clearly mentioned that Yadavas were identified with Ahirs. 2409:4085:8686:F19C:0:0:AF0:98A5 (talk) 14:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't see how your source refutes the claim of the article. I imagine the adoption of the word wasn't instant and widespread, and regardless, your source is from a British census, which has its own issues – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 17:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Macaddct1984. This is official document of that time. even official document of British raj are accepted by government of India and supreme court of India. There are many other reliable sources which refute the Sanskritisation of Ahirs. please see these sources. Ahirs were always Yadavs. Ahir and Yadav are two names of the same community. 2409:4085:8686:F19C:0:0:AF0:98A5 (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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