Talk:Ae Fond Kiss (song)

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Discussions:

Moved, 21 April 2024, to Ae Fond Kiss (song), see discussion.
No consensus, 2 May 2024, to Ae fond kiss (song), see discussion.
No consensus, 1 June 2024, to Ae Fond Kiss, see discussion.

Requested move 21 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ae Fond Kiss → Ae Fond Kiss (song) – This a closer call than the mass RM at Talk:One Night in Miami I've split it out from, but I don't think the song is primary topic over the film, and the absense of ellipses is not sufficient disambiguation. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the song has 743 views but the film has 829[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 05:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ae Fond Kiss (song) → Ae fond kiss (song) – or Ae fond kiss and then we sever or Ae fond kiss, and then we sever (with a comma) – per MOS:INCIPIT. I don't really see the capitalized form in most of the cited sources as a distinct, separate title, and the opening sentence of the article doesn't render it in title case either. For either of the longer forms, no disambiguation would be needed. The comma seems to be present on the handwritten manuscript and in most sources (and in the lyrics rendered in the article). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette^Edit! 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I did several web searches and it was almost always capitalized when referred to as a title. It appears the incipit has become a title. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 11:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/Question I am not seeing evidence of this being originally published by Burns (or another) with either as a title. When it was published in the Scots Musical Museum (Vol IV), it was titled as Rory Dall's Port (Rory Dall being the composer but variously attributed[2]). In the index, it is reported as Ae fond kiss and then we sever[sic]. It is indexed on the first line of each song - not by the title. Complicating this though, contemporary versions are not played to the original melody. Not certain that there is a clear answer to this other than follow the sources. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 June 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Move to primary topic, undoing a poorly-attended RM from earlier this year. Clear long-term notability advantage over the film and album. 162 etc. (talk) 21:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Scotland, WikiProject Songs, and WikiProject Poetry have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: @Crouch, Swale, Pppery, BarrelProof, SchreiberBike, and Cinderella157: Notify editors who participated in previous move requests BilledMammal (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on the basis of enduring notability. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per usage, the film has 519 views compared with only 390[[3]] for the song. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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