Talk:Adam

Concerns about inapproprite photos

Dear Wikipedia Editors, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to express my concerns about the images currently displayed on the article about Adam (alayhi salam). The images in question depicts a naked man and, as such, may not be appropriate or respectful, considering the religious and cultural sensitivities surrounding the depiction of religious figures. Adam (alayhi salam) is a significant figure in many religious traditions, and there is no verified or accepted image of him. Consequently, I believe that displaying such an image may not be suitable and could be perceived as disrespectful. Could you please consider removing the image or replacing it with content that adheres to Wikipedia’s guidelines on sensitivity and respect for religious and cultura LILIA ROSALIE (talk) 18:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, LILIA ROSALIE, can you point to the WP policy on sensitivity and respect that this particular imagine goes against? Wikipedia is not censored, and I don't know if I agree that the image in question is offensive or inappropriate. Or, can you point toward an image that would be more aligned with what you're looking for? SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (my edits)} 18:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello SPF121188, Thank you for your response. I appreciate the policy on censorship and understand your point. However, my concern is more about cultural and religious sensitivity rather than censorship. Depicting religious figures, especially in a manner that can be perceived as disrespectful, could offend many people from different backgrounds. Could we perhaps find an alternative image or representation that respects these sensitivities? and personally i find the most of them offensive cause those drawings don't represent him. LILIA ROSALIE (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

There are a thousand articles on this website that people of different religions might have a reaction to.

It is not the duty of the website to cater to every group's sensitivities.

One might even say Adam should be renamed as Aadam. 182.188.56.167 (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

What about Muslims who find it offensive that Islamic imagery should be cencored? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

According to Genesis 2:25 and 3:6-7, Adam was naked until after he had eaten the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge:

Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
Genesis 3:6-7 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat; and she gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig-leaves together, and made themselves girdles."

— Mechon Mamre Genesis 2, 3

So it is perfectly reasonable (and arguably more accurate) for Adam to be depicted as naked in images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.44.48.159 (talk) 13:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, Biblical literalists arguing against images is a new one. Still, not less weird. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2024

With regards to the 'In Islam' section, in the second paragraph, the claim that 'for God never punishes one person for the sins of another' lacks an appropriate citation.

Below, I have added a link to the quranic verse which discusses this specific matter. I believe that it could be used as a citation source, just like in the first paragraph of this section.

Source: https://quran.com/35/18

Thank you for your time and help! EdiRayman (talk) 02:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added this. Bitspectator (talk) 01:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I just checked and it looks like the wrong verse was cited. Can you please fix it? Thanks! 212.230.15.95 (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow, apologies. I had copied the citation format from another article and forgot to change the verse. Thank you for noticing. Please check now. Bitspectator (talk) 02:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks a ton! 212.230.15.95 (talk) 02:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Edit request (factual error - Genesis 1)

In the "Composition of the Adam narrative" section it states:

"Genesis 1 tells of God's creation of the world and its creatures, including adam, meaning humankind;"

However, "Adam" (or "adam") is not mentioned in Genesis 1 (he is not mentioned until Genesis 2:20 according to the Mechon Mamre page as used for the citation of "Genesis 1").

Could this incorrect information be removed as follows:

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Genesis 1 tells of God's creation of the world and its creatures, including adam, meaning humankind;

+

Genesis 1 tells of God's creation of the world and its creatures, including humankind;

Thanks very much.

77.44.48.159 (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Not done. the Hebrew text for Genesis 1 says אָדָם (adam) which means human or humankind, according to this source cited throughout the wikipedia article: [1] Rainsage (talk) 04:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, the DuckDuckGo translator translates "אָדָם" as "man", not "adam". 77.44.48.159 (talk) 10:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

In verses 26 and 27 on https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm it does use "אָדָם", but it is not translated as "adam":

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

So while the quoted source might mention "אָדָם", the claim that Genesis 1 mentions "adam" is incorrect according to the quoted source, so I repeat my request for the information in the article to be corrected.

Thanks very much. 77.44.48.159 (talk) 10:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I have updated it to make it clear that the article is talking about the various ways the Hebrew word "adam" is used in Genesis. Rainsage (talk) 02:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I have checked all 50 chapters of Genesis on mechon-mamre.org (used for the Biblical references in the article) and there is not a single occurrence of the word "adam"; there are only occurrences of the proper noun (ie, the name) "Adam": Genesis 2:20 / 3:17,21 / 4:25 / 5:1-5.

It is therefore manifestly false to claim that the word "adam" occurs in Genesis 1, as the article currently does (and previously did):

Genesis 1 tells of God's creation of the world and its creatures, including the Hebrew word adam, meaning humankind.

So I once again repeat my request for this false information to be removed from the article, otherwise I will be left with no option other than to conclude that the article has been protected from being edited by the public in order to promote such propaganda ("In English, propaganda was originally a neutral term for the dissemination of information in favor of any given cause. During the 20th century, however, the term acquired a thoroughly negative meaning in western countries, representing the intentional dissemination of often false, but certainly "compelling" claims to support or justify political actions or ideologies."). 77.44.48.159 (talk) 10:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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