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Eroded Statues in the Sanctuary

Any idea why the statues in the sanctuary (The deepest part of the temple) are so eroded/disfigured. Because of UNESCO this must be one of the most studied temples in Egypt and yet I can find no explanation anywhere of why these statues, but no others in the temple are in such poor condition. A second question I cannot find an answer to is this, if the temple was finished in, Let us just say in Ramses reign, why are the side chambers unfinished? Any hints would be appreciatedSherlockh22 (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

Great and Small Temples of Abu Simbel is obviously redundant with this page, and this one is longer established, more widely linked within the wiki, and more frequently viewed (see the pageviews comparison for the past 30 days). The creator of the smaller page edited for only three days in 2013, so I don't anticipate any objection from that quarter. Joostik, thank you for proposing the merge; I wasn't even aware that Great and Small Temples of Abu Simbel existed.

For these reasons, I don't think a formal discussion is necessary: any usable content from that article should be moved here. Unless somebody objects, I'm going to look over that article and carry out the merge within the next week or so. A. Parrot (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've carried out the merge, though I didn't incorporate much from that article into this one. I only added some background information to the Construction section (in this edit) and changed the section structure of this article to reflect more detail about the temple artwork and layout, making it a little more like the structure of the merged article. A. Parrot (talk) 20:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Side chambers Main Temple.

On my second visit I decided to photograph the side chambers. I took approx 64 pictures. The main reason is that I thought they may have been used as a school.

Everything in the Temple is perfectly aligned and yet these side corridors are all askew. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this subject. It has been a long time since I contributed but with a bit help I would publish all 64 photos of the side chambers.Sherlockh22 (talk) 19:57, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of the pictures show the skewing of the chambers or the holes in the wall, but I do have video of these things. Again I need help to upload.Sherlockh22 (talk) 20:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sherlockh22: The photos would be useful, though you may want to add them to Wikimedia Commons, not here; most of the photos that Wikipedia uses as resources are hosted there. If you can be more specific about what problems you are having, I may be able to help with the uploading process.

The side chambers in the Great Temple are called storage magazines in one of my sources, although I can't find more detail about it. The nature of Egyptian temple design makes it pretty unlikely that they were used as a school. A. Parrot (talk) 01:45, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem with uploading is that it is a big questionaire and I will have to fill it in 64 times. Is there any easier way?

Do you think the side chambers were carved at the same time as the Temple? None of them are straight. One of the chambers even has damage which is a hole in the wall through which you can (unintentionally) see into the next chamber.

The reason I think it was a school is 1; the Hieroglyphs and carvings are amateurish ( although the left hand chamber displays better workmanship) and 2; the unfinished Drawing. How can the Temple be finished but not the drawing?Sherlockh22 (talk) 10:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sherlockh22: As far as I know there isn't a faster way to upload. All I can suggest is to look over the photos, choose which ones are most informative, and just upload them. They should probably be categorized in Category:Interior of the Great Temple of Abu Simbel, or, if you end up uploading most of the photos you have, a new subcategory titled something like "Side chambers in the Great Temple of Abu Simbel".

I don't have a lot of detailed information on Abu Simbel, and what sources I do have say little more about the side chambers than that they were used for storage. As far as I can tell the chambers are assumed to have been part of the original temple plan. Perhaps they were meant to be decorated but were left unfinished, or perhaps the artists who decorated the temple used them as a practice area—but that would only be speculation on my part. Without reliable sources, Wikipedia can't say more. A. Parrot (talk) 03:03, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I will consider these options. I do not wish to write on your article so can I point you toward the following site; https://www.planetware.com/nubia/abu-simbel-egy-asw-abusim.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlockh22 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 20 July 2019 (UTC) Sherlockh22 (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I tried again to upload and now I remember how much pain Wikipedia introduced into my life. I think I will just not bother trying.Sherlockh22 (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Simbel temples → Abu Simbel
Abu Simbel → Abu Simbel (village)

– The name "Abu Simbel" in English commonly refers to the temples rather than the village. Abu Simbel temples is the first result for a Google query for "abu simbel" despite Abu Simbel being the closer literal match, and the first few pages of results are almost all about the temples and not the village. Britannica's article on Abu Simbel is likewise about the temples and not the village. Abu Simbel temples has nearly twice as many monthly page views as Abu Simbel, and some of the page views for Abu Simbel are presumably people who meant to go to Abu Simbel temples instead so the real ratio is likely even more lopsided. Rublov (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. The term overwhelmingly refers to the temples. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- CaeserKaiser (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A. Parrot (talk) 15:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.