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RfC: SAG Awards

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The Screen Actor Guild Awards for ensemble casts give each actor/actress their own statue at the awards ceremony. Should the following text be included in some way on Savages’ article. (Each source names her as part of the winning cast.):

In 2017 the cast won the Screen Actor Guild (SAG) Award for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series; they had previously won for season’s two and three.[1][2] In 2018 the cast was nominated for the SAG Award for Outstanding Performance By An Ensemble In A Comedy Series.[3]

Gleeanon 15:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ Grobar, Erik Pedersen,Joe Utichi,Matt; Pedersen, Erik; Utichi, Joe; Grobar, Matt (2017-01-30). "SAG Awards: 'Hidden Figures' Wins Ensemble Prize; Two For 'Fences': Complete Winners List". Deadline. Retrieved 2020-10-09.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ "'OITNB' cast after SAG win: 'What unites us is stronger than what divides us'". www.yahoo.com. Retrieved 2020-10-09.
  3. ^ "Screen Actors Guild: The nominees and winners for Outstanding Performance By An Ensemble In A Comedy Series - Los Angeles Times". latimes.com. Retrieved 2020-10-09.

!votes

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  • Support as nom, on what planet do we not include major acting awards on an actress’ bio? Gleeanon 15:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Why have you taken this straight to a full-blown thirty-day formal RfC without, so far as I can tell, having observed WP:RFCBEFORE? Surely a simple question left at WT:FILM would have been far easier and also attracted attention from the people most knowledgeable in such matters. But even that might have been unnecessary - assuming it's a mere content dispute, the first thing to do should have been to bring up the matter on this page (without jumping straight for RfC) and discuss it with other people who have recently edited the relevant section of the page - presumably, Largoplazo. Also, the term is not iVote but !vote, which is pronounced not-vote, see WP:!VOTE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That one editor is the one who edit-warred it off twice without discussion. It seemed like a genuine waste of time to further engage them to see if they had changed their mind.
    I felt asking for more eyes in this manner was more practical as this seems to have a highly ignored BLP. Gleeanon 19:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    To be clear, the sequence is that you added it and I removed it with an explanation. Then you added it again, though WP:BRD says you shouldn't have, and then I removed it once more and directed you to WP:BRD. Largoplazo (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, the second time I re-added several years she won and did it as part of the career section. Foolishly I thought that would appease your concerns. Gleeanon 20:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It stands to reason, for what it's worth, that if I didn't consider it her award after a single instance, I still wouldn't over several instances. Largoplazo (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That wasn’t the logic I was following but let’s see what others have to say. Gleeanon 21:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I came here from WT:FILM, and as Gleeanon409 and Redrose64 have said, this is a simple matter. We include outstanding cast SAG awards as the casts' accolades. Each of the actors is named in the citation so, like with named producers accepting a best film/TV series award, it is the individual actors' award as much/more than the show's. There's never been debate about this, and someone should have pointed that out to Largoplazo. LP may disagree, but it's a fact. Kingsif (talk) 23:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... someone should have pointed that out to Largoplazo." Has anyone participated in this conversation before your arrival who was aware of it?
Anyway, if that's already the prevailing practice, then, while I think it's strange, I will consider myself overruled. Largoplazo (talk) 00:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Appears significant accolade.--Astral Leap (talk) 09:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I came here after being notified by the RfC bot. While the award itself is significant, the article should clarify that Savage won the award as a part of the cast and not individually. The current wording in the article doesn't clarify that enough and the current proposed wording is what I'd support. That being said, there's a current AfD discussion on this article and it appears that the dispute over whether this award is "major" enough to establish notability is a big part of that AfD. On that matter I'd like to qualify my support vote that me endorsing this award as being major enough for the article doesn't entail saying it's a major award for the purposes of the AfD discussion currently happening and I don't think this broader RfC should have any bearing on that either. Chess (talk) (please use {{ping|Chess}} on reply) 00:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Kingsif - Idealigic (talk) 06:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Whether or not this RFC remains in place, in response to a question Gleeanon409 asked me in the deletion discussion, see WP:OFFTOPIC, on a page providing supplemental explanation of the guidelines in the Manual of Style. People interested in whether OITNB has won awards, whether for ensemble cast or anything else above the level of the individual cast member, can find that information in the OITNB article. While it's true, it's also a bit misleading, as presenting it suggests an implication that it's a distinction of her own when it isn't. That's my evaluation of it, anyway. Largoplazo (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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