Talk:Abd al-Rahim ibn Ilyas

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Did you know... that Abd al-Rahim ibn Ilyas, heir apparent of the Fatimid Caliphate, was arrested after the caliph's death and died in captivity under unclear circumstances?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Dinar struck in the names of al-Hakim and Ibn Ilyas

... that Abd al-Rahim ibn Ilyas (coin pictured) was nominated as the heir-apparent of the Fatimid caliph al-Hakim, but was sidelined, imprisoned, and likely assassinated after the latter's death? Source: Effectively a summary of the article. Brett, p. 146: "in 1013 with the unheard-of appointment of a cousin rather than a son as Walī ʿAhd al-Muslimīn, al-Hākim’s designated heir [...] With coins minted in his name, ʿAbd al-Rahmān ibn Ilyās, the cousin in question..." and p. 158 "al-Hākim’s designated heirs were set aside, the one imprisoned, the other, Ibn Ilyās, fetched from Damascus to take his own life.", but pace Sanders and Halm, the common view is that he was probably assassinated.
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Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self-nominated at 17:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Cplakidas, review follows: article created 9 February and exceeds minimum length; a QPQ has been carried out; image is good quality and appropriately licensed; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; happy to AGF there is no overly close paraphrasing from the offline/paywalled sources; hook fact is interesting, happy to AGF on sourcing but I raise one issue: the "likely assassinated2 part is mentioned in the article's lead but not in the main text (which states only that "rumours" insisted he was assasinated) and is therefore uncited - Dumelow (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dumelow! The problem is that all historians heavily imply that he was murdered (Sitt al-Mulk after all is suspected of murdering her own brother, as well as some of her apparent co-conspirators), but they all resort to formulations like "liquidated", "eliminated", or "met his death in obscure circumstances". I will try to find more conclusive sources and have this reformulated, if necessary, so please give me a few days. Constantine ✍ 17:34, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cplakidas, no worries. Give me a nudge when you're ready - Dumelow (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dumelow, I've looked around and made some tweaks and additions to the article, but the situation regarding his death remains more or less the same. I therfore propose ALT1: ... that Abd al-Rahim ibn Ilyas (coin pictured) was nominated as the heir-apparent of the Fatimid caliph al-Hakim, but was arrested after the latter's death and died in captivity under unclear circumstances? This covers the event without taking sides on how he died. Would that be satisfactory? Constantine ✍ 11:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fine for me - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Modified ALT1 to T:DYK/P7

Obvious error, but what is the correct text?

The article states "In June 1013, he wed two of Ibn Ilyas's daughters with the widows of the executed vizier..." Unless we're talking about same-sex marriages, something is wrong. I leave that to someone with expertise in this area (or at least access to authoritative texts). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeno Cosini~enwiki (talk • contribs) 18:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]