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Caliph or Caliphs?

The lead begins with the following sentence: "The harem of the Abbasid Caliphate (750–1258) in Baghdad was the harem of the Abbasid caliph, composed of his mother, wives, slave concubines, female relatives and slave servants (women and eunuchs), occupying a secluded portion of the Abbasid household."

Which Abbasid Caliph this sentence is referring to? Is the article about a particular Abbasid Caliph? Doesn't seem so. Mosesheron (talk) 19:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It of course refer to all Abbasid Caliphs. All Caliphs had harems. Their harems were all organized the same way. Therefore this article is about the Abbasid harem as an institution, just like the article of the harem of the Ottoman Sultan is about the harem in general. I have no idea if this is confusing in the English language. I am Swedish and no nothing about the English language, but as far as I have understood, its fullu acceptable to phrase it like this when speaking about an institution. For example, in the article lady of the Bedchamber, it says: "the task of the Ladies of the Bedchamber was to act as the go-between for the queen and the Women of the Bedchamber..." and obviously, this does not refer to a particular queen, but to all queens who hapened to be the queen during the period when the Ladies of the Bedchamber was serving. The principle was the same here. Which ever Caliph was the Caliph at the time- in 838, in 1101 or in 1225, the sentence "his mother, wives, slave concubines, female relatives and slave servants (women and eunuchs)" still applied. it is phrased the same way in Ottoman Imperial Harem and numerous articles in Wikipedia, then the articles describe an institution of some kind, and the procedure was the same regardless of who was the Caliph/queen/king/whatever at the time.The institution and organisation was the same anyway. The phrase refers to the title holder whowever that was, not to a particular one. The harem exsted from the 8th-century to the 13th-entury and it was the same regardless of who happened to be the Caliph at the time.--Aciram (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality of Harun al-Rashid

Harun al-Rashid has to be the greatest Muslim monarch of all time, many questions arise regarding his sexuality he may have been a homosexual, etc.

Also many questions arise about the sexuality of the Abbasid ruler's and their Caliphate where slavery was a legal concept. 13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)43.242.178.35 (talk)\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)43.242.178.35 (talk) 13:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zanj

Did the "Abbasid Caliphate" own concubine from the Zanj rebellion.

Many African were brought slave from Zanzibar into Iraq.

How strong were slave trade in the Abbasid harem.

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There were of course many Zanj/African women slaves in the Caliphate, but African women were not the preferred ethnicity in the Abbasid harem. It was more common with Persian women, Berber, Turkish and European women. All women in the Abbasid harem except the relatives of the Caliph - and his wife in those cases when he married a foreign princess or a free woman - were slaves.--Aciram (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]