Talk:A Town Where You Live/Archive 1

Regarding that image

I note that the zh.wiki (?!) article has the cover of the Japanese volume 1, which can presumably be imported to here. (I find it interesting that there even is a Chinese article, even though it doesn't indicate that the series has been licensed in Chinese.) —Quasirandom (talk) 21:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can also snag the Amazon.jp cover. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done need the related caption--KrebMarkt 21:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I've removed the PROD and replaced it with a merge proposal. For the moment, I suggested Suzuka (manga) as the merge target, as this is a prequel to that series, but an argument can be made for merging to Kouji Seo instead. So, a discussion of the options. Though if anyone can address that {{notability}} tag, I'd vote to keep the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a merge would be good idea, considering I have yet to see any connections to Suzuka. Although I just started it. Another thing to consider is that Suzuka article is a GA article and the merge could mess things up. This doesn't matter since I planing to expand this article to a start or C class article. You should see expansion soon. (Duane543 (talk) 01:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Well, the promotional material claims it's a prequel, so presumably a connection will show up. I confess I only skimmed a couple chapters before deciding it hadn't caught my attention. That Suzuka is GA is irrelevant, though -- if the material belongs there (arguable, as I said) then it belongs there and needs to be brought up to snuff on arrival. But I'll await your additions and see if they address my concerns. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are your concerns addressed? (Duane543 (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

(Sorry for the delay -- got tied up.) Not really. You've done a decent job getting this up to a Start class article, or nearly so, but you haven't demonstrated the series is notable. To do that, the article needs to show the series passes one of the five criteria of WP:BK or the additional one at WP:MOS-AM#Notability. This is, admittedly, difficult for a series that hasn't been licensed in English, but that's why we have so few of those. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also doesn't help that it is relatively new. I'm not giving up yet, I think with enough looking I can meet one of the criteria for Notability. It will just take some time. (Duane543 (talk) 05:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I'm removing the Notability tag, because I think it has meet WP:BK criteria considering that it has multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the manga itself. (Duane543 (talk) 17:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Well, the usual interpretation of "multiple" in AfD discussions is "three or more," but I won't contest it. I will say you've done a good job getting this up to a basic Start class article. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Town Where You Live-Inclusion of Suzuka?

I still don't agree with you insistence to have this "...and also takes place some time after or during Suzuka, one of Kouji Seo's other works." I feel that Suzuka reference should be viewed as nothing more than a TV show that the characters were watching. A TV show the characters were watching has very little bearing on the overall plot of A Town Where You Live. (Duane543 (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Yes, the reference is indeed to the TV show that they were watching that had Honoka in it. However, I think that it is important to note that both mangas are still in the same universe. Although it may have little bearing on the plot for now, as seen in chapter 2, it is supposed to be a prequel to Suzuka; connections between the two mangas and developments may show in future chapters. I don't really see the harm in adding it; if setting counts as plot (as I assume to be so as it is in the plot section), then the reference should be counted as plot as well. For example, the setting of a story (according to Wikipedia), includes the time, location and circumstances in which it takes place. The Suzuka reference (I think) contributes to all 3 of these. The time of A Town Where You Live is probably in the 21st or late 20th century; the Suzuka reference solidifies that fact and shows the time of A Town Where You Live, although somewhat implicitly. The setting is in Japan as well; them watching Honoka on TV who speaks Japanese shows that. Circumstances (forgive me if I'm wrong) are that it takes place some time after or during Suzuka (the part that the Suzuka reference plays here is self-explanatory). I'm not trying to say that one couldn't figure out the time, location and circumstances in which A Town Where You Live takes place without the Suzuka reference, but it just helps to solidify setting. Just trying to be bold here. Expo377 (talk) 00:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have two contradicting statements. These are that A Town Where You Live takes during or after Suzuka and that it is a prequel to Suzuka. If A Town Where You Live is indeed a prequel (although I have seen nothing to support it so far), by definition A Town Where You Live has to take place before Suzuka. I appreciate your efforts to improve the article, but I just don't see that statement solidify setting. If it was any other tv show was referenced besides Kouji Seo referencing his own work, you would not making such an argument. Unless more of evidence comes up in future chapters, I don't see both A Town Where You Live and Suzuka having much to do with each other besides having similar plot elements. If anything, the reference is more of an Easter egg than anything else. (Duane543 (talk) 04:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

It's not that I support the idea that it is a prequel but in chapter 2 it says so; I highly doubt it myself after seeing the chapter with Honoka in it. As you stated before, if it was a prequel it would take place before Suzuka. Also, I don't mean to be mean or anything, but how would you know if any other TV show was referenced besides Kouji Seo referencing his own work, I wouldn't be making an argument for it? Although they don't have much to do with each other ~~character-wise~~ in terms of the characters from Suzuka and A Town Where You Live interacting with each other, I think that knowing that A Town Where You Live takes place around the same time as Suzuka establishes setting; they're not totally different worlds. If it is an easter egg and establishes setting, I don't see harm in putting it in there. Respectfully, Expo377 (talk) 05:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take this for an example, if the characters were watching the Seven Samurai on the TV would that have a bearing on the overall plot of the manga?

It's not like I really meant that I would be making an argument for each and every TV show; I just wanted to (not to be rude) make a point that you don't really know me. Well, for one thing, Seven Samurai is a Japanese film; I think you're talking about the anime. Also, Seo would probably be sued if he put an explicit reference to the Seven Samurai anime; if it was as subtle as the Suzuka reference then it'll probably slide. However, Seven Samurai and A Town Where You Live are totally different things; it's not like the Seven Samurai still exist in the time period (or even universe) that A Town Where You Live takes place in. Watching Seven Samurai on TV really doesn't help to establish setting; for example, if I replaced the Suzuka reference with a Samurai 7 reference, then it would look like this, "...and also takes place during or after Samurai 7, one of Studio Gonzo's works." It's like comparing apples and oranges; somewhat similar, but different things. Expo377 (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would you really put this line: "...and also takes place during or after Samurai 7, one of Studio Gonzo's works." in to the plot section if it was Seven Samurai? The Suzuka show the characters were watching was never stated that it was a anime. It could have been a live action drama. Maybe in their universe it is an old TV show. Really it does not matter that what show is because it does affect the plot. Ask yourself is this information part of the main story or primary sequence of events? If not, the information is not part of the plot. (Duane543 (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Well I see that both Expo377 and IP user 75.22.60.85 were correct that this manga is happening during the same time as Suzuka. (Duane543 (talk) 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

So is this discussion over with...? Expo377 (talk) 00:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. (Duane543 (talk) 04:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Thank goodness; I don't see what was so hard about such a small thing like that. I really didn't understand your arguments but it seems that you're satisfied after reading the latest chapter, so whatever. Expo377 (talk) 06:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]