Talk:ARIA Music Awards

Website's incomplete records; picture of an award

The official website's records are very incomplete, for the first 15 years or so. I emailed them to ask why and they said they're in the process of updating them. It's a bit of a worry... if they don't have the records, then who does?!

--pfctdayelise 12:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

This seems to have been tidied up a bit as of today OZ_Rhett 09:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I also emailed them to ask if they have a suitable photo of an award we could use, either as a free image (yeah right) or as fair use. The woman I wrote to said she passed the request to their legal dept and I'm still waiting to hear back.

--pfctdayelise 12:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Unhide

Those hidden headline headings should not be. It helps to see the headings so editors can add stuff to the sections.100110100 19:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Highest selling award

While I didn't read the whole article, it doesn't seem to mention the award for "Highest Selling Single" or something like that. I remember reading that Holly Valance was nominated for this and I came here to see if it told me how that would work.. Is it made up? -Anthony- 11:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

2007 Hall of Fame inductees

I've just added a number of ARIA Hall of Fame (HoF) inductees (Jo Jo Zep & The Falcons, Hoodoo Gurus, Frank Ifield, Radio Birdman, Brian Cadd and Marcia Hines) with ref supplied: they were inducted in July 2007 (exact date supplied) at the separate HoF ceremony (generally held separately from ARIA Awards since 2005). I also reffed Nick Cave's induction: at the October ARIA Awards ceremony. I suggest deleting the 'Honorary' inductees from this table: in his acceptance speech Cave named fellow members of his band (Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds). His recognition of their contributions to his status as HoF inductee is laudable, however they were not inducted by the ARIA board - they are not listed on ARIA's website as HoF inductees and ARIA doesn't have an 'Honorary' HoF category. Other artists have been inducted into the HoF and have also been members of bands, their fellow members are not automatically HoF ('Honorary' or otherwise). If ARIA were to induct Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds as a band into HoF then individual members should still not be listed in this article (see other HoF bands whose members are also not listed).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I have now deleted the 'Honorary' inductees as per reasons above.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Conception of the ARIAs

On 30 November 2007, User:33bear (talk | contribs) added a claim regarding the conception of the ARIAS with: , when it was first conceived by Glen Mylns and Jim Keayes. Three further edits by the same user modified this to when it was first conceived by Glen Mylne and Jim Keyes [http://www.abc.net.au/longway/artist_index/jimkeyes.htm]. With a reference supplied. These four edits are the only ones by this user.

I've checked the ABC's Long Way To The Top website reference, (which mispells Jim Keays as Jim Keyes), and find no mention of the ARIAs nor of Glen Mylns/Mylne. A google search for Jim Keyes Glen Mylne finds echoes of this wikipedia entry but no independent confirmation of this claim.

In 1999, Keays released his autobiography, His Masters Voice and a search at google books shows no hits for ARIA nor Glen Mylns or Glen Mylne.

Consequently I am going to delete the contentious claim. It can be re-instated if a reliable source supports it.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was actually first conceived by Glen Mylne and Jim Keays in 1987, in Jim Keays' house in Melbourne. A submission about creation of The Aria Awards was made to the then executive director of the Australian Record Industry Association, Stewart Silver, and it was later to become a reality. The submission by Mylne and Keays came about as a result of the axing by the ABC of the long running Countdown program and their concerns about there being no other forum for showcasing and rewarding Australian artists and music. Jim had his tragic final curtain call on 13 June 2014 at age 67, and Glen is a lawyer on Queensland's Gold Coast. Glen43899 (talk) 09:10, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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--JeffGBot (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Where have all the artisans gone?

@Le Beaglelution, Sasha Leiva666, Dissident93, Nick Number, Tobyjamesaus, and Boneymau: You have all recently edited ARIA Music Awards of 2020. If you're interested in previous Artisan awardees and nominees continue reading. ARIA currently has Past Winners from 2019 to 1987, however the winners and nominees for the Artisan categories (I include Best Video) generally do not show the actual artisan (engineer, producer, graphic artist, video director) unless they happen to be the music artist. I've contacted ARIA via their email service but have received no reply. I particularly have trouble finding early recipients of these in online sources even when using archived sources. I would like to make sure that wp articles have all these artisans suitably recognised and verified reliably. Any assistance would be appreciated. I got stumped at 1995 with no works given in sources that I could find.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)01:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks for the message.let us know how you go. In addition to this ARIA awards used to have a search box, whereby you could search an artist/album/song for its award history, but this function has disappeared.

And, on a different note, the previous accreditation’s (1997-2019) have been removed as well, so you can’t see gold/platinum awards anymore, except for this year’s updates. Strange decisions by ARIA.

I haven’t contacted them about those things, but feel free to (if you want). Tobyjamesaus (talk) 02:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I asked about PANDORA's archive copies of the ARIA Reports (which provided 1 to 100 + component charts) and why they haven't been updated since September 2019. They told me to ask NLA/Trove who told me to ask ARIA... shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: I sent an email (again) to ARIA re: no artisan recognition in its Past Winners section and specifically asked about 1995's Engineer and Producer of the Year awards. I was told:

"Hi Shaidar, Thanks for your email, I hope you are well. There is currently an issue that we are aware of with 1995 and are working on getting fixed ASAP. Thank you for alerting us. We are currently reviewing how Artisans are displayed, and the update will be released on the site soon. Kind regards,"

I hope their "soon" means before the next 25 years.

As for the 1995 page here on wp: I've added the work and artist using Tony Cohen's biography as a ref. Paul McKercher (the other engineer winner) confirmed the work and artist for his win, via a separate email.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar:. First of all, thanks for the follow up and for letting me know. Second of all - LOL. It could take a while! Another thing I noticed recently was their 2006 end of year charts weren't displaying (as in, the page link was broken). ha ha. Add that to my aforementioned issues of gold and platinum certifications which seem to be terribly outdated [even their 2020 ones] and without a portal to search for any artist/song/award - which I think would be so useful for marketers and the artist themselves. I feel like I wish there was a suggestion box and together, you and I could fill it for them, or maybe, we could work for them on fixing these issues. I'd actually like that. :) Tobyjamesaus (talk) 06:52, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Now you see it, now you don't

Early in October 2021, ARIA's Awards page included a link to ARIA Awards Artisan Winners (see archive copy) but the original is no longer accessible. Some historical Artisan nominees are not currently available at Past Winners.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)23:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

ARIA

There used to be a similarly acronymed organization in Alberta, Canada, the Alberta Recording Industries Association, started in 1984, but they have since changed their name to "Alberta Music" :) [1] 2001:56A:FA85:3800:8C3C:429B:70C6:931F (talk) 06:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Accreditations

@Tobyjamesaus: Don't know if you've spotted this. ARIA has listed Accreditations from 1990 to 2020, see hereshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Most awards/nominations

@Le Beaglelution and Tobyjamesaus: I have problems with this table:

1. Currently there's a huge number of cluster refs, containing innumerable sub-refs, which are repeated ad nauseum (yeah, I'm the one who put most of them in there). I'm working on this at my sandbox 4 by using {{sfnm}} and redesigning the Notes and References sections.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
   • I've deleted my sandbox 4's content as the article now has the updated table.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
2. A commented out instruction has Note: Totals include ARIA Awards, ARIA Fine Arts Awards, Artisan Awards, Public voted awards, ARIA Hall of Fame induction, Special, Outstanding or Lifetime Achievement Awards, and Industry Icon Awards. Nominations total is all final nominations, including wins. Listed in order of most awards won, only artists with a minimum of six awards are shown in this table. Individual members of bands are not shown unless they have won six or more in their own right. Data as of 30 November 2020. I will update the info for 2021 results.
3. Discussion at Talk:2021 ARIA Music Awards#Number of nominations implies both wins and nominations totals should not include Artisan Awards, unless the artist also works as the artisan. I have a problem with this interpretation and would prefer to keep all wins/nominations for works for the artist(s).
4. How do we handle artists who are also leaders of bands?
   1. Paul Kelly's totals includes works by Paul Kelly and the Coloured Girls, Paul Kelly and the Messengers, Paul Kelly Band, Paul Kelly and Uncle Bill, Professor Ratbaggy, Paul Kelly and the Boon Companions, Paul Kelly and the Stormwater Boys, Stardust Five, Paul Kelly with Charlie Owen, Paul Kelly with James Ledger, Paul Kelly and Paul Grabowsky.
   2. Paul Grabowsky totals include Paul Grabowsky Trio and various collaborations.
   3. Nick Cave's totals include Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, and various collaborations.
   4. John Butler Trio totals does not include John Butler solo. Should this be [[John Butler]] and add in John Butler Trio totals?
   5. Diesel includes Johnny Diesel, Johnny Diesel and the Injectors, Diesel or Mark Lizotte.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

• @Shaidar cuebiyar:, Firstly, nice work on what you have done. I like the commented out instruction within the article too (hopefully it doesn't get too much vandalism). With regards to handling artists such as Paul Kelly, Nick Cave etc.. my opinion is to count them if their name is used in the name in the artist name - as a collaborator or co-artist. example, Paul Kelly includes and the Coloured Girls, and the Messengers, with Charlie Owen etc.. but not Stardust Five (for example). I think Nick Cave should include Nick Cave and Bad Seeds, John Butler should include John Butler Trio, and Diesel include all of the above. That's my opinion of course. As for the artisan awards, I agree with you and I would prefer to keep all wins/noms for the artists' work as well. Again, that's just my opinion. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 02:42, 5 December 2021 (UTC).

Thanks for your rapid reply. I tend to agree with what you say, just wanted another opinion before making these changes.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

• I've tackled point 1, above. The cluster refs are largely gone. This has reduced the article by a huge amount: 223,822 bytes to 96,942 bytes. I'll tackle points 2 and 3 next.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
• I've tackled the other points mentioned. Thanks to Toby for your advice.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)