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On 13 April 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to A.C. Milan (women). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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It was proposed in this section that A.C. Milan Women be renamed and moved to A.C. Milan (women).

result:
No consensus. See strong arguments below in both support of and opposition to the requested new title. Arguments are steeped in policy, such as WP:CONSISTENT, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NATURALDIS and so on. As a result, there is no agreement to rename this article at this time. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, editors are free to attempt to garner consensus for this name change again in a few months, although with such strong arguments as these, there will probably be little agreement/success any time soon. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 04:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A.C. Milan Women → A.C. Milan (women) – See discussions at Talk:Juventus F.C. (women) and Talk:Inter Milan (women), as well as calciofemminileitaliano.it Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 01:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 17:30, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and a basic Google search. Hmlarson (talk) 14:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The common name is "A.C. Milan Women", the official name is "Associazione Calcio Milan". "Women" is just used for commercial reasons, it isn't part of the official name of the club (the same way it isn't for Juventus or Inter Milan). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 16:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Commercial reasons? Is Women a brand in your opinion? Hmlarson (talk) 16:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Commercial in the sense that it is used for common people to distinguish from the men's team. It isn't part of their official registered name. See the Italian Wikipedia page for example (it:Associazione Calcio Milan (femminile)): firstly it's located at Associazione Calcio Milan (femminile) (similarly to the German, French, and Spanish Wiki pages), not Associazione Calcio Milan Women, or Associazione Calcio Milan Femminile. Secondly, even there it notes what I have said: "L'Associazione Calcio Milan, meglio nota come Milan, conosciuta anche come Milan Femminile o con la denominazione commerciale di Milan Women". In this official announcement the club is referred to as "AC Milan", not "AC Milan Women". Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Nah... We don't cite other wikipedia articles here. See WP:COMMONNAME and a basic Google search, including their own official website (#1 Google result): AC Milan Women Roster. Hmlarson (talk)
        Precedents have already been set: see the move discussion at Talk:Juventus F.C. (women). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a courtroom. WP:COMMONNAME is a Wikipedia policy. WP:PRECENDENT, WP:PRECEDENTS. Also, don't edit my remarks. Hmlarson (talk) 05:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the real wikipedia policy is WP:criteria but most of the time common name fit all the criteria and at the same time some subject has multiple common names so that the guideline allow editors to decide one. And some times , likes Foo national football team is not purely based on common name policy, (since the common name is Foo)but a way to have a naming convention and disambiguation.

Also Please don't cite primary source. All mention of the club in primary source are official name, and no way to prove the official name is also used commonly by fans and media. Matthew hk (talk) 11:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom RedPatchBoy (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and previous precedent. Giant Snowman 11:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - nomination seems to suggest using the WP:OFFICIALNAME over the WP:COMMONNAME, without giving a particularly coherent or compelling rationale. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, see the discussion at Juventus F.C. (women):

The title in its current form implies that the club's official full name is "Juventus Football Club Women", which is not the case. The club is officially called "Juventus Football Club", and is commercially called "Juventus Women" for convenience (see Juventus.com). The name should have the disambiguator (women), just as in other similar cases (see FC Bayern Munich (women), or Everton F.C. (women)). Also, pretty much all other Wikipedia variants of the page (Italian, French, Spanish, German, etc.) use "(women)". Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Seany91 (talk) 11:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Current title is a perfectly good natural disambiguation, readily recognised and in use. Andrewa (talk) 05:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- See Juventus F.C. (women), FC Bayern Munich (women), Everton F.C. (women), Olympique de Marseille (women), AS Saint-Étienne (women), Sevilla FC (women), Granada CF (women), and many more. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 05:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - If these are similar situations, with disambiguation needed and the natural disambiguation commonly in use (it doesn't need to be the most common name, just common enough to be easily recognisable), then in due course these should be moved. But nothing urgent, no great harm is being done. Andrewa (talk) 09:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Andrewa: Juventus has been moved from Juventus F.C. Women to Juventus F.C. (women) just recently in this discussion. Same for Inter Milan (women) (discussion). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 15:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, and if this RM fails, those might need to be reviewed in view of that. That's exactly the same point that was made above, and the same reply. Consensus can change and while we do strive for consistency, that doesn't mean we should be consistently wrong. Andrewa (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Even though Juventus F.C. (women), Everton F.C. (women), FC Bayern Munich (women) and the rest are using the proposed format per WP:CRITERIA, there's still need for a clear consensus to be formed in this discussion. So, relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 01:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURALDIS. — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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