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Nomenclature

The name of the article was changed a few times back and forth.

9x25mm Dillon follows the usual Wikipedia cartridge nomenclature format that can be seen in the Category:Pistol and rifle cartridges and is also used by the 2nd Edition Lyman Pistol and Revolver Handbook. The other 9 mm "metric" cartridges listed in the Category:Pistol and rifle cartridges use the AxBmm format, though their official nomenclature in their country of origin actually might differ from the Wikipedia method.

9x25 Dillon is used by Dillon Precision.

--Francis Flinch (talk) 09:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

×

Correct title should be 9×25 Dillon or 9×25 mm Dillon. 190.96.43.4 (talk) 22:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Falling Out Of Favor

As one who competed with a 9x25 Dillon, I disagree with the (citation-needed) reason listed for the 9x25 falling out of favor was the extra blast and parts breakages and injury risk. Myself and everybody else I knew shooting it switched from it due to the 4 more rounds you could get in the magazine with a .38 Super. Blast and injury potential weren't significant factors-- if you wanted you could use the exact same loads the .38 Super guys did.

70.253.88.53 (talk) 03:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move following Wikipedia nomenclature

9x25 Dillon → 9x25mm Dillon

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support. It is good practice to use nomenclature that is consistent/in line with how Wikipedia denotes cartridges to keep things as recognizable/uniform as possible; see Wikipedia:Article titles. I know the designation 9x25mm Dillon is not used by the C.I.P. nor the SAAMI nor Dillon Precision itself. The 9x25mm Dillon nomenclature is however in line with the metric cartridge nomenclature used in Wikipedia; A x Bmm Other stuff. The current nomenclature is not used by the C.I.P., the SAAMI nor Wikipedia. The 9x25mm Dillon nomenclature would be consistent with the nomenclature used in the Category:Pistol and rifle cartridges and Category:Military cartridges lists. --Francis Flinch (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ammo availability

9x25 dillon is available from Underwood Ammo. website is the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.77.95 (talk) 16:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "higher pressure" seems inaccurate

This phrase: "Barrels and compensators in high-pressure cartridges like .38 Super at Major velocities have a much shorter service life than lower-pressure ones." seems inaccurate since the SAMMI or accepted maximum operating pressure of 9x19, 40 S&W, 38 Super, 9x25,and most other modern autoloader cartridges seems to be around 36,000 psi, give or take a bit, for instance:

9x19 - 35,000 9x19 +P - 38,500 40 S&W - 35,000 38 Super - 36,500 10mm Auto - 37,500 357 Sig - 40,000

Compared to the listed 36,259 psi in the article for 9x25, the 9x25 seems to have a pressure specification that is in line with other modern autoloading cartridges. Most glaringly, 38 Super* is specified as being a little higher than 9x25 pressure-wise. The high energy produced would (according to Newton) need to be absorbed in the firearm and arm of the shooter but that is not a direct consequence of excessive pressure.

I would suggest some other verifiable reason for the cited excessive wear be given and the factually incorrect pressure explanation be removed, or that the phrase be otherwise modified to clarify and make it align with measurable facts. Perhaps the loads typically used for the specific competition exhibited this characteristic, as opposed to it being an immutable characteristic of the cartridge.

In short, someone with a good source needs to either remove or repair this assertion.

Source: http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/Z299-3_ANSI-SAAMI_CFPandR.pdf

All modern 38 Super is labelled +P for historical reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meatyzac (talk • contribs) 17:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]