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Alextwa

Aside from inexplicably reverting my typo and formatting fixes, Alextwa (talk · contribs) has decided to reinsert speculation about who may or may not win Grammy Awards next year. This is a strict violation of Wikipedia policy. Extraordinary Machine 14:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Host

can we find a citation for stephen colbert as host? i can't find one anywhere but here and his page, which says he is "rumored to be the host" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.4.60.162 (talk • contribs).

Nominees

Why can't someone just list the nominees here for the time being? Not everyone can access a Yahoo! page... restrictions and what not.

RMThompson 21:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What time is it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raguv2000 (talk • contribs).

Police

It has been said that the Police are reuniting to perform at the Grammy's. Shouldn't that be notable enough to warrent mention here, considering they haven't been together in about 25+ years. Kaiser matias 23:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Willis

According to the article, Bob Willis has won a lifetime achievement Grammy, while in his article he doesn't seem to have a significant musical career. --Soetermans 09:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Bob Wills. --luckymustard 13:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing that up. --Soetermans 09:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Watch requested

A look through the recent edits has indicated that several editors (some showing anon IP addresses) have vandalized certain parts of this article, and I suppose it had much to do with the Dixie Chicks' five wins last night. Yes, I understand that their big night was unpopular with many people, but this is not the forum to vent our disapproval. This is an article simply about who won what awards, and the fact is the Dixie Chicks won. To that end, to discourage further vandalism, I wonder if it might be a good idea to watch this page and possibly consider at least semi-protection? Thanks! [[Briguy52748 23:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Umm...

Happened again. I suggest a temporary lock.

New comments about this article

A few points to make here, which I'll cover at once:

1. This page now needs protecting. I had reverted an edit to remove nonsense about Communism, which has nothing to do the 2007 Grammys. There was also an unsourced statement I removed alleging bribery, which has no merit without a source.

2. Should the process of voting be moved to the main Grammy Awards page? The process has not significantly changed from year to year, so I see no reason to include the process in this article (or in other Grammy Awards of x-year articles either, if it is included).

For your consideration. [[Briguy52748 16:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

I would agree. - Patricknoddy 19:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patricknoddy — You'd agree that this page should be protected, or the process moved to the general Grammy Awards page? Just want to see where specifically you stand. [[Briguy52748 03:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Both. - Patricknoddy 12:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In reviewing at the most recent vandalism-related edits, they've gotten more vicious (primarily against the Dixie Chicks) and I strongly urge someone now (perhaps an administrator) to protect this page. apparently, people aren't getting the message that this is not a forum to voice opinions about the Dixie Chicks, but rather to present the facts. Thanks! [[Briguy52748 03:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

I have put this page on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. - Patricknoddy 12:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title of article

Why is this article not on 49th Annual Grammy Awards? - Patricknoddy 19:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It appears this article's title is consistent with the other Grammy Award event pages (e.g., Grammy Awards of 1985). My guess is that it is easier for users to look up a Grammy Awards event by year, rather than the number of the event (e.g., 49th Annual). There is a redirect for users who type "49th Annual Grammy Awards" to this page. Hope this helps! [[Briguy52748 03:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGES MOVED per discussion below. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grammy Awards of 2007 → 49th Grammy Awards — The award ceremonies are rarely (never?) referenced as Grammy Awards of [year]. Instead, they are referenced by their sequential order. -- tariqabjotu 04:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Survey

Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

Support all per my rationale above. -- tariqabjotu 04:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Partial Support. The name most often used is Nth Annual Grammy Awards, so that's the format the names should follow. --Serge 08:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Annual is usually omitted: see 79th Academy Awards, 58th Primetime Emmy Awards, and 64th Golden Globe Awards. -- tariqabjotu 15:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - use of the year is not overwhelming, and they are mostly referred to by sequential number. --Yath 19:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

OPPOSE — While tariqabjotu is correct in that Grammy ceremony broadcasts are referred to as "Xth Annual Grammy Awards," few people remember them by the number of the event; they remember it more by the year. The idea of Wikipedia, I believe, is not only to present knowledge and information, but to do so in a manner that makes it as easy as possible for people to find the article of interest. Yes, redirects to each year-specific page could be put in place, but that does not change my vote. The introductory suffices in calling each event by its proper name (e.g., The 49th annual Grammy Awards ...), despite the title. I do not believe it would cause any confusion. [[Briguy52748 13:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]
Strongly Oppose WP:MOS clearly states that pagenames should exist for the benefit of the reader, not editors. That's why we have Polar Bear and not some Latin name no-one recognizes. This is a non-issue if we follow Wikipedia conventions. Xiner (talk, email) 21:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Move for Grammy Awards of 2004 complete. - Patricknoddy 12:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's why we have Polar Bear and not some Latin name no-one recognizes. This is a non-issue if we follow Wikipedia conventions. Xiner (talk, email) 21:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you're going to make a statement like the one made in the last sentence, you should be specific about which part of the Manual of Style makes this a non-issue; as I'm sure you know, the Manual of Style is very large. I strongly disagree that this is a non-issue; note the examples mentioned in response to Serge under the support section which show that if this truly is a non-issue, we have been disillusioned for a long time. Polar Bear is a clear case where the Common Names Manual of Style comes into play, given that few people know its binomial nomenclature. However, Grammy Awards of 2007 drastically falls short of being considered a common name; and 49th Grammy Awards (or 49th Annual Grammy Awards) falls drastically short of being considered as unknown as Ursus maritimus. -- tariqabjotu 22:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right, hyperboles don't win arguments. Alright, this page lists the 49th Annual Grammy Awards as the name of the show. Various sources seem to call the actual awards either "49th Grammy Awards" or "2007 Grammy Awards". Xiner (talk, email) 23:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Xiner — While I agree that articles on television shows normally should be titled according to their common name, I wouldn't know what article to look up offhand if I were searching for, say, the 1978 Grammy event (the 20th annual show). Unless there are redirects pointing us to the correct page, I cannot support your argument. [[Briguy52748 23:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]
  - I didn't argue against redirects. Xiner (talk, email) 23:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Redirects, by default, remain in place following a move, so they would stay. Additionally, wouldn't 1978 Grammy Awards, rather than Grammy Awards of 1978, be a more feasible place to look? -- tariqabjotu 00:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry, I guess I should have known that a renamed page's old title automatically is redirected (and I apologize Xiner if there was any misrepresentation in my earlier statement). Yes, I suppose "1978 Grammy Awards" is a better title. [[Briguy52748 16:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)]][reply]
      - Oh, ok. Yeah, no harm done. I'm still learning on Wikipedia, too. Xiner (talk, email) 16:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will not move them for you, you will have to do it (make sure you take care of any double redirects). But if there are any you can not move because of a technical block (like a page history) then let me know on my talk page and I'll help you with those. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rap, World, and Alternative

Are any of the nominees from any of the awards from these genres there? I know Ludacris won a Grammy, and T.I. was nominated, c'mon guys. Please help. - NJ Rock

Many nominations are listed at Nominees_for_Grammy_Awards_of_2007 with the winners highlighted. I'm guessing there was an agreement for such a convention; I myself have no idea. Xiner (talk, email) 22:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

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--JeffGBot (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:2012 Grammy Awards which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 10:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]