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Section sizes

Section size for Joe Biden (61 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,945	9,945
Early life (1942–1965)	9,047	9,047
Marriages, law school, and early career (1966–1973)	10,599	26,470
1972 U.S. Senate campaign in Delaware	1,826	1,826
Death of wife and daughter	3,828	3,828
Second marriage	7,613	7,613
Teaching	2,604	2,604
U.S. Senate (1973–2009)	74	39,458
Senate activities	19,279	19,279
Brain surgeries	2,434	2,434
Senate Judiciary Committee	6,590	6,590
Senate Foreign Relations Committee	5,856	11,081
Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq	5,225	5,225
1988 and 2008 presidential campaigns	44	16,364
1988 campaign	10,829	10,829
2008 campaign	5,491	5,491
2008 and 2012 vice presidential campaigns	49	27,593
2008 campaign	11,670	11,670
2012 campaign	15,874	15,874
Vice presidency (2009–2017)	77	38,371
First term (2009–2013)	23,882	23,882
Second term (2013–2017)	10,009	14,412
Role in the 2016 presidential campaign	4,403	4,403
Subsequent activities (2017–2019)	6,920	6,920
2020 presidential campaign	78	31,859
Speculation and announcement	3,490	3,490
Campaign	22,421	22,421
Presidential transition	5,870	5,870
Presidency (2021–present)	122	170,789
Inauguration	6,205	6,205
First 100 days	13,051	13,051
Domestic policy	10,073	64,714
Economy	18,225	18,225
Judiciary	5,690	5,690
Infrastructure and climate	13,835	13,835
Immigration	10,452	10,452
2022 elections	6,439	6,439
Foreign policy	5,149	56,643
Withdrawal from Afghanistan	11,473	11,473
Russian invasion of Ukraine	12,113	12,113
China affairs	10,192	10,192
Israel–Hamas war	13,677	13,677
NATO enlargement	4,039	4,039
Investigations	23	13,988
Retention of classified documents	5,768	5,768
Business activities	8,197	8,197
2024 presidential campaign	16,066	16,066
Political positions	31,076	31,076
Public image	10,789	25,014
Age and health	5,461	5,461
Job approval	7,285	7,285
Media depictions	1,479	1,479
See also	238	238
Notes	138	138
References	17	1,677
Citations	31	31
Works cited	1,629	1,629
Further reading	1,430	1,430
External links	106	12,315
Official	440	440
Other	11,769	11,769
Total	448,704	448,704

Current consensus

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01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

Efn footnotes start at [b]?

Does anyone know why this is? It's supposed to start at [a] right? According to my command+f, there is no [a] tag on this page. Other pages do not seem to have this issue. Finnigami (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notes can be found at the bottom of the page under the section "Notes". There's an "a" at the start of that list. XeCyranium (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incumbent, until Jan 20, 2025

Please oh please. When we know who Biden's successor-to-be is. Let's not change "Incumbent" to "Outgoing" in Biden's infobox. GoodDay (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not, he will be whoever it is. Slatersteven (talk) 20:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's still the incumbent until he leaves office. So let's not do that "outgoing" stuff. GoodDay (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At some point, we added Biden to the Trump infobox well before January 20 as elected successor or some such. Probably we should do the same here. The election has been called and there doesn't seem to be any dispute about the outcome. Wehwalt (talk) 13:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No we didn't. We waited until Biden took office. GoodDay (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison to Benjamin Harrison

Apologies if this is pedantic but I can't edit the article, but is this comparison to Benjamin Harrison truly necessary? – "This will give Biden the distinction of being the second president whose predecessor and successor are the same person, after Benjamin Harrison, whose predecessor and successor were Grover Cleveland." Just seems to take up space in the top of the article for no real reason other than being an interesting fun fact, but it doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the article. I'd consider the same for the Donald Trump article, where he is compared to Grover Cleveland. I think if something happens twice (in this case, a non-consecutive term), then it's not really a notable thing to happen. Castlemore7 (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, takes way too much space for the value of the information. I think it's notable enough for Trump's lede, but not this one, at least not using this much text. WikiFouf (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Announced military support for Israel" in the lede

This might have been addressed before, but why does the lede mention only that Biden "announced" military support for Israel? This reads as if it was written prior to his administration actually sending the military aid in unprecedented numbers. If no one objects, I would change it to :

During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent extensive military aid to Israel, as well as limited humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.

While we're at it, I think it's also worth using a couple of words to add that the aid was sent despite allegations of war crimes, if anyone would like to discuss that. WikiFouf (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It can be argued that as the US has supported Israel since the 1960's its undue to single out Biden. Slatersteven (talk) 14:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that it's "singling out" Biden because A) no administration has ever sent Israel this much aid in a year, and B) that same year was the deadliest of the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict WikiFouf (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, with the swap of "extensive" (from my original proposal) to "an unprecedented amount of", more factual. WikiFouf (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't thing "unprecedented" is the correct terminology to use in the lead. While Biden has been a strong supporter for high levels of military aid, there have been similar meausres of support by prior administrations such as that of Operation Nickel Grass in the Yom Kippur War. LosPajaros (talk) 22:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never this much in a single year, though, which I think is quite notable. And IMO a factual stat is more descriptive + neutral than just something like "large", "extensive" WikiFouf (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree with this. The United States has been strongly supporting Israel for many decades. To imply that this is a Biden creation is not neutral. Esterau16 (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Esterau16 Please explain how the sentence implies that this is a "Biden creation"? It states that the amount of military aid sent by the Biden administration since the war started is a record, which is true, as you can read for yourself. WikiFouf (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Unprecedented" is hyperbolic language that suggests there is something out-of-the-ordinary about the Biden administration's support of Israel. Zaathras (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm entirely fine with "record amount" if that makes it clearer, but this is the largest amount of military aid ever sent to Israel by the US in a year. Clearly Biden isn't the first president to support Israel; my proposed sentence isn't saying that either. But the aid he's sent during this war is notable – not only statistically but because of human rights concerns – which is why it's been a front-page news subject for more than a year. WikiFouf (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to the State of the Union Address

I was looking at the "Response to the State of the Union Address" among the succession boxes. My goodness, it's overwhelming. I'd recommend it be removed from this bio & other bios. GoodDay (talk) 02:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]