Talk:2024 United States elections/Archive 1

Archive 1

upcoming changes to the article

I shall be adding a new section to this article.

it will show odds and betting market chances of victory, which are inarguably useful now in addition to polls Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 05:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Congressional Map of Louisana

SCOTUS recently struck down Louisanas Congressional map. I am a relatievly new editor, so I'd apprichiate if someone else could update the map. IchAiBims (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe a new map has been developed or adopted yet. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 16:12, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of State Legislature Elections in Text Box

I see no reason as to why they are not included. If governorships are included, the control of the state legislature should be as well in my opinion. We should add them here and on all other US election pages TRJ2008 (talk) 17:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Mayoral seats that changed parties

An IP editor added a section under 2024 mayoral races for seats that changed parties based upon the existence of a similar section in the 2023 U.S. elections article. Of the four races listed, three of them are officially non-partisan contests. The victor may be affiliated with a different political party than the previous office holder, but the race wasn't a partisan contest. To me it seems this should be handled more like was done in the 2018 and 2019 articles, noting changes when the race was partisan and then more broadly note trends about the affiliation of election winners. Thoughts? —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

BREAKING!!! Biden has announce he won't seek re-election

How will this article be updated? Namealreadytak (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Noticed vandalism here

I created an account for this, idk how things work but obviously someone vandalised the article, can we revert it to a previous state or smth? Therealcrumbles (talk) 04:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

News papers or news TV endorsement?

Is something here on Wikipedia getting this for information? 73.189.88.136 (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

They are being tracked in this article: News media endorsements in the 2024 United States presidential election. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Upcoming/current changes

Suggest changes here and someone could do them and update us all on the election Justhereforresearch (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Trump won

Edit the article 197.91.18.157 (talk) 07:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

AP hasn't called it (and I don't think it's gonna be long until they do). When they do, it will be changed. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 08:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

IT'S CALLED! AP HAS CALLED IT!

TRUMP HAS WON! AP HAS CALLED! Cormio (talk) 10:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Photo caption in 'Indictments' section

The caption for this must be updated to insert 'Alleged' before '[c]lassified' as the case brought was dismissed [1]https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.672.0_2.pdf (So ordered on the final page, page 93). Complicating the matter is that the documents themselves were mishandled as per prosecutions' admission [2]https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.522.0.pdf (See B-4 on page 8, footnote 3)

Updated caption proposed:

Alleged classified intelligence material found inside Mar-a-Lago

31.187.2.147 (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

No. 197.91.18.157 (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I have made the change, based on the facts of the evidence in question as of this time. In the pre-trail phases of the case in question, both the Office of the Special Council (Jack Smith) and the FBI admitted to the court that the materials had been mishandled and tampered with.

While the factual extent of the tampering would have had an opportunity to be established later in the case at another phase, the Judge dismissed the case prior to those facts being established, leaving us to await the possible appeal of that dismissal and the continuation or "reset" of the case.

Until such time as the materials can be established to be what the OSC and FBI allege them to be, it is objectively correct to identify the material as part of an allegation. TheRazgriz (talk) 18:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Maps

The maps seem to be incorrectly formatted or something, as the legend and the maps don’t match up. BrokenSquarePiece ^{(complete me)} 23:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes; the legends are for the preelection maps. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024

Change “Trump was shot at” to “Trump was shot” Travis Morger (talk) 03:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

This would be inaccurate as he was hit by a bullet. 99.10.110.201 (talk) 03:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

❌ Not Done: the attempt was failed SKAG123 (talk) 05:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024 (2)

I believe his name is Tim Walz, not Tim Waltz. Please change | president_map_caption = Presidential election results map. Blue denotes states won by Harris/Waltz, red denotes those won by Trump/Vance, and gray denotes those yet to be called. Numbers indicate electoral votes cast by each state and the District of Columbia. to | president_map_caption = Presidential election results map. Blue denotes states won by Harris/Walz, red denotes those won by Trump/Vance, and gray denotes those yet to be called. Numbers indicate electoral votes cast by each state and the District of Columbia. LennnyLo (talk) 12:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Already done Text search didn't find any matches for "Waltz", so I'm presuming that the error was in a previous version of the page. Liu1126 (talk) 00:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024 (3)

Change

Numbers indicate electoral votes cast by each state and the District of Columbia.

to

Numbers indicate how many electoral votes each state has

The Electoral College has not convened yet. The wording at 2024_United_States_presidential_election.207.96.32.81 (talk) 13:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done I've used the text Numbers indicate allotted electoral votes. as that seemed to be the consensus for the 2020 election during the equivalent period. Thanks! Skynxnex (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Domestic Election Interference

Someone has inserted references to domestic groups interfering in US elections. What they mean by this is that US citizens are donating money to AIPAC. This is pretty beyond the pale. The idea that you can characterize US citizens donating money to an American political group as "election interference" because those citizens have donated money to a cause that OP does not personally support is a pretty flagrant violation of WP:NPOV.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

That's great, honey 197.91.18.157 (talk) 10:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I saw the "ping pong" match in the edit history on this issue and decided to find a happy and productive medium for both "sides". "Election Interference" I changed to "Alleged Foreign Election Interference" to clarify that its for discussing other nations tampering with the process (not citizens engaging in the process) and moved to the bottom of the Issues section (because it honestly was 1 paragraph asserting the possibility of interference, should not have been anywhere near the top of the section anyway).

I then created a new subsection "Foreign Relations" with a sub-subsection of "Israel-Hamas War", added context relevant to the 2024 election cycle and loads of citations.

Now everyone can feel better. Those that have a big issue with AIPAC can still have it mentioned in a much better format with more citations and context, without trying to come across as insisting that American voters/supporters were somehow engaging in election interference for engaging in their nations democratic process via donations, volunteering, or activism on a foreign relations issue. TheRazgriz (talk) 03:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Underlying Data?

Is there a way I can see/download the underlying data used to make the maps? I'm interested in vote totals by state by candidate for presidental election years.

Thanks, KathyS158 (talk) 23:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if there’s an answer to this but Wikipedia:Help desk may be able to help. Justanotherguy54 (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2024

Not sure how to do it, but the new Pennsylvania senator is a republican not a independent. 2600:6C44:27F:618A:49BE:4097:FDF8:AB23 (talk) 16:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⸺(Random)staplers 19:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Falsehood in lede

In the intro, it is stated that "This marked the first time since 1896 that the Republicans completely rolled back a Democratic trifecta and replaced it with a Republican trifecta in a single presidential term." This is not true.. disregarding the fact that the Democratic Party did not hold a trifecta prior to the election, the last time that partisan control shifted from the Democrats to Republicans in all three elections is 1952, as in 1950, Democrats held their preexistent trifecta, and Republicans won a trifecta in 1952. 50.235.136.53 (talk) 11:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I did some research into this, and you are absolutely correct. Going into the 1952 election, the Democrats held a trifecta and the win of Dwight Eisenhower in the Presidential Election brought both a popular vote victory over his Democratic opponent and brought control of both chambers of Congress, resulting in a Democratic trifecta flipping into a Republican trifecta, and this has not happened since then.

I went ahead and removed that part of the lede entirely, as both the underlying premise (that Democrats held a trifecta going into the 2024 election cycle) and the point it was trying to make (Republicans havent flipped a trifecta since 1892) were both false, so no other creative edit to it gave it any merit to remain on the page. TheRazgriz (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Format & Info Updates

Hello all.

A quick glance at the edit history at the moment of this writing will show that Ive made a number of edits and updates to the page recently. A mix of trying to reformat certain sections of the page to better lay out and expand on information as well as to end some bickering back and forth between different "sides" on what should or should not have been mentioned under the previous format, and Ive also done quite a bit of expanding on contexts and adding links and citations while updating information that was very lean and in need of updates.

I would assume the most "controversial" edits I made were: 1) to remove the incorrect information from the lede which implied that Democrats held a "trifecta" across POTUS, House, and Senate going into 2024, when they did not, while trying to insist that Republicans had not previously flipped a "trifecta" since 1892, which ignores the 1952 "trifecta" flip of Eisenhower, and; 2) the changes I made within the "Issues" section, where I created 2 new "subsections" titled "Foreign Relations" and "Alleged Foreign Election Interference" to better sort out the previous edits trying to talk about AIPAC under a context of "election interference". I understand that other users opinion that a domestic lobby for or against a certain other nation is in their opinion the same as "foreign interference", but I think most objective people would disagree that its the same as Iran hacking into a candidates emails and leaking them, or China using AI social media accounts to try and shift the perception of politics on social media and pop culture, or Russia's own President very publicly endorsing one particular candidate.

These and my other edits were done with the hope to end bickering by finding a professional middle-ground that I think honestly enhances the quality of the page, to highlight objective truths and give information readers my not have previously known before reading, and to hopefully foster some users to actually take the lead themselves and not be afraid to make edits they believe will enhance the page (such as the user who had all of the facts already to verify that "trifecta" info in the lede was outright false, but chose to only make a talk topic instead of making the good faith edit). I hope my edits and the reformatting of some of the subsection formatting will be appreciated and expanded upon if needed. If there are any minor edits to be made, then make them. If there are major issues to be sorted out, then lets sort them out. Thank you. TheRazgriz (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Pa senate

What’s with the yellow coloring? I know it’s not called yet from some major sources so grey would make sense but the yellow has no meaning Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

On Commons the file key has yellow meaning "too close to call" ... ——Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

House of Representatives Map

The House of Representatives map is different compared to all other years. Is this a new, agreed-upon version (with more insets), or did someone just make a new map for fun? If the former, the map itself seems a bit rough, with some weird formatting/sizing issues. If the latter, I would recommend that we return to the traditional House map, since those insets and spacing seem to work fine as is. Dillguy9 (talk) 01:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

US House 2024.svg says that Coolxsearcher1414 created it and US House 2022.svg says that Ketrit created it. Looking back pass 2022, it seems like File:US House 2016.svg had a debate about formatting in the edits, which led to the more current style with this being the preceding style. Other than that, I don't see where there is a guideline regarding what the map should look like. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Mayors

The reformatting of the mayoral election takes away a lot of pertinent information such as party switches and which candidates were defeated. I see this has been used on other pages but it seems to take out some information that would be helpful. I wonder what others think about bringing back the initial list with all of the info Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 22:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

My default opinion on nearly everything WP is "more relevant information is always the better option", so I will say I do like additional info stating who was defeated and noting party switches. However, I do think it is important that we follow precedent to be in line with predecessor and successor pages, and I feel that the more detailed information on every Mayoral race would better fit in a dedicated page rather than here on this one. That is my $0.02(USD) on it. TheRazgriz (talk) 02:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2024

Change "Republican +4" to "Republican +TBD" in the Senate Election inbox. This is to align with the rest of the infobox because of the ongoing recount in Pennsylvania. A-nicer-guy (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Every reporting outlet has called PA Senate race in favor of the Republican, and official count makes it a Republican victory. Initial results are to be presumed valid until proven otherwise at the conclusion of recount, recount itself does not justify contradicting initial official results.

If somehow recount changes the final results, then at that point info would be adjusted. TheRazgriz (talk) 19:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2024

in the Table of state, territorial, and federal results section, Pennsylvania's post election US House results incorrectly state that the split is 9 Republican to 8 Democrat, when it is 10 Republican to 7 Democrat. Suggest changing and fixing those numbers. Jamesmaxis22 (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done LizardJr8 (talk) 23:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Notice of No Original Research Noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion on the No Original Research Noticeboard about a claim made in this article that may be of interest to editors. The link to the relevant discussion can be found here. BootsED (talk) 02:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

In the section "assassination attempt" use of title President Trump seems contentious

At the time of the regretable assassination attempt in Butler Pa, Donald Trump is described as President Trump, this seems contentious and could be changed to read either ex-president or presidential candidate Trump as being more accurate. 67.210.40.165 (talk) 16:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I've update it to President-elect which is the correct terminology at present. TarnishedPath^talk 00:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

At the time he was former president or simply candidate, not president-elect. Is there a reason to include any title in the section and not to simply say "Trump"? —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Another editor has done that now. TarnishedPath^talk 00:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)