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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 02:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 02:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2022 New Zealand fuel tax subsidy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - the requirements of DYK specify it must be "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest" and I think currently the hook is not worded in a way that is helpful to presenting that curiosity. Reading for the first time, you don't have enough context to understand the hook properly. For this reason, I don't think the hook as it is currently can pass these requirements.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: JacobTheRox (talk) 11:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how things work. If it was going to be nominated as a new article, as opposed to as a 5x expansion, it should have been nominated within seven days of August 29. As it stands, because that window passed, the article could only be nominated either as a 5x expansion or as a newly-promoted GA, and it must have been nominated within seven days of either that expansion starting or the promotion to GA status. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. I thought it could be relisted as it is just "in the wrong section of the nominations page". If that isn't the case, then I will adapt my review. I have struck it through so it was evident what was there before. Kind regards, JacobTheRox (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, JacobTheRox I nominated the article on the same day that I moved it on draftspace so 5x expansion shouldn't be necessary. Is it possible that you're reviewing a different nomination? I can't tell from mobile. —Panamitsu (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, Panamitsu: Sorry I thought the article was created in the mainspace October 29th. I have updated my review accordingly. Apologies, JacobTheRox (talk) 22:27, 5 November 2023
@JacobTheRox: Are you able to clarify what you meant by that the current hook isn't interesting? Just so I understand your thought process and we're on the same page. My interpretation was that petrol stations being filled with queues is quite unusual and thus interesting, although I'm happy to hear what you think.
Also, you mention difficulty understanding the hook. Because I wrote the article I don't know what the perspective of a new person looks like, so is it possible that you could describe what is missing? —Panamitsu (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panamitsu: I read the DYK section every day and I don't think I would understand this hook if I saw it there. While the idea of petrol stations filling up with queues is interesting, I think you need to expand on the removal of subsidies. What are subsidies? Why were they there? Why were they removed? Why did this cause queues? I would word the hook as ... that petrol stations in New Zealand filled up with queues as people tried to fill up before the Government removed a subsidy on fuel tax?. I prefer this hook because it goes into greater detail, and shows that the queues were BEFORE the subsidy was removed. The current hook suggests that the queues were after the subsidy was removed. This made me think the subsidy upped the price somehow. Do excuse me please for my harshness towards the nomination; I just want to improve Wikipedia the best I can. Kind Regards, JacobTheRox (talk) 09:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I see and agree with where you're coming from given the explanation. I think that perhaps to make the hook more interesting, we could remove information rather than add more? ALT2:
"... that New Zealand petrol stations were filled with queues before a change in government policy?"
—Panamitsu (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JacobTheRox: Are you able to approve ALT2? Z1720 (talk) 01:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: Approved. Sorry I was unable to edit Wikipedia properly this last fortnight. I think ALT2 is better. I am happy to approve it. Apologies for the wait, JacobTheRox (talk) 09:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JacobTheRox: If this nomination is approved, can you add the green approved tick? (Or please indicate if you need another editor to add it for you.) If there are other concerns preventing approval, can you comment on them below? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JacobTheRox: Please see the above. Z1720 (talk) 03:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: Sorry I tried to on a mobile edit around a week ago and it looks like it didn't save/publish/whatever. All done now. JacobTheRox (talk) 07:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity

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This article has some clarity issues. It doesn't convey effectively throughout that the tax cut was executed through the imposition of a government subsidy. There's not enough background on the cost of living crisis, and it's unclear how long the crisis had been going on, and how severe it was. Zanahary (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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