Talk:2022 NFL season

Position Key

Why is the position key blank? Was there an error? ChessEric (talk · contribs) 22:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Baker Mayfield

What exactly is meant by a "notable trade"? I feel as if many would qualify the Baker Mayfield trade as notable since this is a former first round pick who has had some success in this league and the Browns situation has been at the forefront of the news cycle. Jimania16 (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Per the objective criteria explicitly listed in a comment under the "trades" section, a trade is "notable" if "1. Actual players (i.e. not draft picks) are included on both sides of the trade OR 2. At least one draft pick involved in the trade is 4th-round or earlier OR 3. At least one player involved in the trade has been selected to a Pro Bowl." None of these criteria apply to the Mayfield trade. (Criterion 2 will apply if the draft pick from CAR to CLE becomes a 4th-round pick, and only at that point would the trade qualify for this list). These criteria have been used over the past several seasons since being briefly discussed at Talk:2019_NFL_season#Too_Much_Stuff. It is clear that Mayfield has not had a enough success in the NFL as he only netted a 5th-round pick back, even despite his team-unfriendly contract. That being said, I am always open to collaborating on potential changes to these criteria if the community deems it necessary. Frank Anchor 16:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it may be useful to downgrade the criteria to "at least a 5th-round pick?" These criteria were initially put in place because the trades section was originally filled with a lot of meaningless training-camp trades, such as when players who were on the verge of being cut were traded for a 7th-round pick, and excluding a starting-caliber QB was possibly an oversight. Frank Anchor 15:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Do we have any other trades that are, realistically, notable like this one that fail to meet the listed criteria? I'm not against changing the criteria, but I don't love the idea of changing it based on just one person's trade. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

In recent years, the only other quarterbacks traded for value around a 5th-round pick were Kyle Allen, A.J. McCarron, and Trevor Siemian None of them had a reasonable expectation of starting for their new teams. Other notable players would be Michael Bennett, Amari Cooper, and Josh Gordon, (though the Pro Bowl criteria covers all three of these men). I could really go either way on making a change since the Mayfield trade (starting-caliber QB for a fifth-rounder) is unusual. Frank Anchor 17:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think this situation is a bit of an oddity. If there aren't other notable exclusions besides Baker then I'd vote to keep the criteria as is for now. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Game ratings

I thought about this for a while now but should we have a paragraph in the article with some notable games outside of the top 10 most watched games or even ratings by window? Hoopstercat (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Only if there is some objective criteria that is verifiable by some previously published information on what counts as notable, not a list of games subjectively picked by one or more Wikipedia editors, or else there may be edit wars or disputes on what to include. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

How do you determine what games are notable and where the cut off is? In what depth do we cover said games? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Todd Gurley - OPOY not considered a notable retirement?

Even though Gurley doesn't meet the listed criteria to be mentioned under the notable retirement section of the other retirement section, I believe he meets the spirit of said criteria.

The listed criteria to be mentioned under the notable retirement section is: General criteria for this list: At least four seasons with a Pro-Bowl and/or All-Pro selection OR a regular season or Super Bowl MVP.

If you have won league MVP, Offensive Player of the Year (OPOY), or Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY), you should absolutely be considered notable enough to be mentioned under notable retirements. I'd argue that Super Bowl MVP is not as valuable as OPOY or DPOY is, as those require a full season of elite player and are less fluky by nature. We should consider updating the criteria and I'd like to hear input from others. Pinging @Hotpotato1234567890, as they seem to agree based on their edit summary when adding Todd Gurley to the other retirement section. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The Super Bowl MVP was added as a qualification when Julian Edelman retired. I think adding OPOY and DPOY to acceptable awards for notable retirements is fine, because the majority of past winners qualify for notable anyways. Hotpotato1234567890 (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Fine with me. I agree that the only reason O/DPOY never was included before is because this never came up (those players always met the 4 PB threshold). Frank Anchor 04:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

General Criterion for "notability"?

Where are said criterion? The edits reference "the top of the section". Am I missing something? If I am, where is it? Thanks. RMcEvoy128 (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Click the edit button in the retirement section, at the top there is a note: General criteria for this list: At least four seasons with a Pro-Bowl and/or All-Pro selection OR a regular season or Super Bowl MVP. Hotpotato1234567890 (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I believe RMcEvoy128 was referring to trades as he/she added the minor trade involving Robbie Anderson. The criteria for trades is also explicitly listed in the top of the section and is as follows (this criteria was established at Talk:2019 NFL season)

1. Actual players (i.e. not draft picks) are included on both sides of the trade OR

2. At least one draft pick involved in the trade is 4th-round or earlier (conditional picks do not qualify unless condition ends up being met) OR

3. At least one player involved in the trade has been selected to a Pro Bowl Frank Anchor 12:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Notable milestone not mentioned

In Week 8 Bill Belichick of the Patriots moved into second place on the all-time wins list by a coach. Why isn’t that included under the Notable Statistics and Milestones section for Week 8? 2603:6010:B141:BE47:1C9E:4DA5:6510:D9E2 (talk) 02:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Belichick's win total combines regular season and postseason wins. Stats from the regular season and postseason are tracked separately by the NFL and there was a large discussion about this subject here with overwhelming consensus to keep stats/wins tracked separately. Frank Anchor 02:41, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Regular season standings - data source

Is there a reason the regular season standings tables don't have a reference, e.g. nfl.com/standings or other? Particularly in the case of SOS and SOV, it's not possible to independently verify the data as presented. Not suggesting the updating user doesn't have his/her facts straight, but we don't know. Derek (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Week 18 scheduling changes

This is the first time that the league has initially listed all 16 games during the final week of the regular season as "TBD" instead of having tentative start times and network assignments. So if it comes down to it when they announce the final Week 18 schedule on Jan 2 or 3, I hope everyone would be comfortable about listing all 16 games here. Otherwise, we would have to form a consensus about what to list and what not to list (e.g. possibly list only those games with playoff implications). Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The closest thing I see to a precedent is the late-season games initially listed as “TBD” where the league will move some, but not all, are moved to Saturday on the NFL network (such as Week 15 this year that were released today). In this case, the games listed as “TBD” that remained on Sunday afternoon explicitly do NOT have the specific time and network listed. Plus listing an entire week’s schedule clutters an already very long section. I would suggest something like the explanation below (with the listed matchups for demonstration purposes only):

All Week 18 games were initially listed with a kickoff time of “TBD,” and the schedule was released on January 3 after the conclusion of Week 17.

• Two games with playoff implications were moved to a Saturday doubleheader on ESPN/ABC. Tampa Bay-Atlanta at 4:30 pm ET and Dallas-Washington at 8:15 pm ET.
• The Baltimore-Cincinnati game was moved to the final Sunday Night Football game at 8:15 pm on NBC
• All remaining games were scheduled on Sunday afternoon on either CBS or Fox.

Obviously open to suggestions, but I strongly oppose listing all 16 games played that week. Frank Anchor 03:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with that paragraph above but however I would put whatever games are moved to 4:25 pm et on both CBS and Fox networks to not be confused with the 1 pm et games (except west coast teams with the already likely 4 pm et (1/2 pm local time) start Hoopstercat (talk) 00:07, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Just “Sunday afternoon” is sufficient for any 1:00/4:25 game. Otherwise, it is unclear where you draw the line because non-West Coast games at 4:05/4:25 are quite common anyway. Frank Anchor 21:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

What's the difference between...

"clinched wildcard" and "clinched playoff berth"? Isn't the wildcard round also part of the playoffs? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

It is. But "clinched playoffs" means they can get WC or win the division. Clinched wild card means they are locked in to a WC spot. Jdavi333 (talk) 15:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Regionalization maps

I know most sites list a regional map for all regional windows is it possible to incorporate that? Hoopstercat (talk) 00:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

You do know that the maps change every week depending on which games are being played, right? I am not in favor of posting what will amount to be 54 maps (18 weeks x 2 maps for the doubleheader network x 1 map for the singleheader). Also, one of the owners of those map web sites use to edit here, left Wikipedia due to the reasons he added here, and would appreciate it if we did not infringe on his copyrights on his web site (which at the time he left was www.gribblenation.net but is now at 506sports.com). Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Falcons eliminated?

If they win their final 2 games, they'll be 7-10. The Panthers, Bucs, and Saints all have 6 wins currently. All 3 teams could tie or lose their final games which puts them below 7 victories and thus the Falcons would win the division. Unless I'm missing something? 2603:6011:5B09:F461:A81E:9BF4:E88A:42AC (talk) 22:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok nevermind, I see that 6-9-2 (say the Panthers tie their final 2 games) is better than 7-10. I thought it was the team with the most wins in their division wins. 2603:6011:5B09:F461:A81E:9BF4:E88A:42AC (talk) 22:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Yep, a tie is officially considered a half-win, half-loss. So 6-9-2 and 7-10 are identical for the purposes of NFL standings. Frank Anchor 02:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

This page has been vandalized

Someone intentionally changed the NFC West standings to make the Rams 15-2 and the 49ers 5-12. They also vandalized the teams 2022 season pages 2601:543:4402:7150:548A:6431:3F89:CD70 (talk) 02:44, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

One-time all-pros

So I notice recently that Frank Gore is listed as a “one-time second-team All-Pro,” yet Malcolm Jenkins (who is also a one-time all-pro” has his year as an all-pro instead of “one-time.” What should be used? I would prefer that we use the year instead of “one-time.” Years are also used when a player achieves an award (MVP, OPOY/DPOY, etc.) WeDemBoyz42119 (talk) 21:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

"2007 All-Pro (second-team)" vs "one-time All-Pro (second-team)". I'd rather they be listed as one-time All-Pro or one-time Pro Bowler over listing the year, I think it reads better and is more consistent with the other player listings. We may sometimes see (for example) "six-time All-Pro (first-team)", and then having "2007 All-Pro" in contrast to that seems inconsistent. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe it reads better, however, we don’t say things like “one-time NFL MVP” or “one-time Offensive Player of the Year.” In those situations, the year is put on the front. This can be seen on this page with Gronk, Gurley, Roethlisberger, and Whitworth. Personally, I think it’s better to put the year they were a one-time All-Pro for consistency. Additionally, Gore is listed as a one-time, yet Malcom Jenkins has his one year. One of the two needs to be changed for consistency. WeDemBoyz42119 (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

My preference is to leave it as “one-time.” No need to include the year since we don’t include it for multiple All Pros (e.g. “Four-time All Pro (2016, 2017, 2018, 2022)), which I would also oppose that inclusion since these pages are already very long. Frank Anchor 17:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

If we leave it at “one-time” then Malcolm Jenkins’ entry has to be updated, since his entry has the year he made is only All-Pro. For the record, I don’t think we should include every year they made an All-Pro (if they made more than one), since we also don’t do that on Pro Bowl selections. I personally think the year would be fine if they only made one All-Pro, but if y’all want to do “one-time” instead, I’ll support y’all’s decision. WeDemBoyz42119 (talk) 20:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

This has been updated. Thanks! Frank Anchor 23:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)