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Gujarat Assembly bye elections

The bye elections are Included only as a part of the background events of this election as it keeps track of the events since the last assembly elections. सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 06:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I have come to know that the bye elections related info is not removed but moved to another article, so this is fine. सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 07:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Diannaa, why have you removed my edit? You said it was a copyright violation but it was in accordance with NDTV's Terms and Conditions, "NDTV grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license, revocable at any time at NDTV’s sole discretion, to access and use the Service strictly in accordance with the Terms. Use of the Service does not grant you any intellectual property rights in or to any information or content in the Service." Ok123l (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Please read item #18. Intellectual Property: "The Service, Content and Software are protected under the copyright laws. NDTV claims copyrights in its Service, Content, and Software to the maximum extent of the law." This means that the content on their website is protected by copyright, and it's not okay to copy it to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Ah okay, thank you, I'll be more careful next time. Ok123l (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Delhi excise policy is undue

Please see WP:UNDUE. The discussion of Delhi excise policy is undue on this page. Please do not add it. Venkat TL (talk) 14:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Metro inauguration by PM Modi

@iamashu95 why are you writing that the PM inaugurated metros, specifically Ahmedabad Metro, which the PM reportedly already inaugurated in 2019. (source1, source2) Ok123l (talk) 16:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

OK Mr. I-know-it-All...atleast I wrote something...you did not even create a section related to BJP's campaign and manifesto, as if its not even a player. I can understand where you priorities lie. Please feel free to delete the entire section that I created. Iamashu95 (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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Auto driver arm twisted into submission incident

In Bharatiya Janata Party section, the incident about the auto driver being arm twisted into submission incident was added without context. Normally I think it is trivial and not fit to be added. If someone thinks it is worth adding then they should add the entire incident and his interactions for full picture. Even then I am skeptic how this helps reader. So I have removed it. Venkat TL (talk) 14:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

How did you know the auto driver is arm twisted , do you have any reference for that or its your imagination? I think its a crucial piece of info and shall be added in the Incidents section. Jinnah47 (talk) 14:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC) blocked sock.
@Bishonen I am assuming you are the Mod here. Can you please suggest the path on this. Arm Twisting has been assumed by Venkat when it hasn't been proved. If I refer bias here you'll again suggest blocking me.
Am I missing something ? Venkat can assume arm twisting and delete my content. If the auto driver hadn't joined the BJP would the writeup not be included even then ?
Reverting to the previous version Iamashu95 (talk) 23:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Venkat TL,
I'm sure you have some resources handy that can prove that the "auto driver was arm twisted into submission" . Please can you share them with us.
An auto driver proclaiming support to AAP and inviting the party chief for dinner and within few days supporting the rival party suggesting that he was following the orders of the union is a key incident in itself.
I can definitely add a separate section like you suggested, but I personally don't think the incident was as big, yet it is not insignificant to be ignored. Iamashu95 (talk) 00:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
  • I've been pinged here, but the way it's discussed above makes it rather difficult for me to understand what bits of text you're referring to (both of you), with the removals back and forth. If you can supply enough diffs to your own and the other person's edits for me to follow the argument, I'll be glad to comment. Iamashu95, if you have trouble creating diffs, Wikipedia:Simple diff and link guide should be heplful (unlike Help:Diff which is overly technical for most inexperienced users. IMO). Bishonen | tålk 02:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC).
    Hi @Bishonen,
    @Iamashu95 added the content on October 5, with the reason "Added details related to BJP in the Incidents section". (diff)
    @Venkat TL objected to it and removed it on October 6, with the reason "Remove the Auto driver arm twisting into submission incident, see talk page". (diff)
    @Iamashu95 re-added a few hours later, saying "Undid revision 1114442979 by Venkat TL (talk) Please prove arm twisting / coercion by citing resources" (diff)
    And that's what they're arguing about right now. Ok123l (talk) 04:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
    There is no consensus to add this. Venkat TL (talk) 09:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
    Instead of throwing dart in the dark by saying there is no consensus. You reply to the genuine question as asked by @Iamashu95 that how did you know the "auto driver was arm twisted into submission" did you have your reference or its just your imagination? The scenario has already been explained to @Bishonen there intervention may helpJinnah47 (talk) 09:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC) sock
    I see. Thank you, Ok123l. In my opinion, the incident is utterly trivial, regardless of any possible coercion, and should be left out of an article about the election. How is it relevant to the election? But I'm not speaking as an admin here, and I've no intention of admin-wise favoring one over the other. Bishonen | tålk 09:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC).
Bad faith + off-topic. User blocked. Abecedare (talk) 15:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Hi Buddies. I started editing these pages recently as I thought that most of these pages had details related to opposition parties and to bring neutrality I added details related to ruling party as well. I was under the impression that this was a miss or at worst they expect someone else to write for the ruling party.
    Gradually my fears of this platform being biased have substantiated over time. Even the moderator thinks that the auto driver issue is "utterly" trivial when the AAP party itself made it a massive talking point. AAP's current vote share is 0.01%, yet it has been shown as a major stake holder on this page.
    I added a section called "Controversies" on Rajendra Pal Gautam and the opposition's comments was removed by @Venkat TL stating that it was "unnecessary". I fail to understand how does mass conversion not merit a separate section and how are opposition's comments "unnecessary" ? Delhi is still part of India and it still is a democracy.
    Here's a separate section on Tirath Singh Rawat highlighting even his views as controversies and opposition's comments have been mentioned too. So, you are not fooling anybody with all this "unnecessary" talk @Venkat TL
    I don't have time and energy for all this insert and revert as I am just a student and hence I quit. @Bishonen I understand you may have your commitments and sides to cater to. But, please do take my concerns to higher authorities(if there are any) and try to make this a neutral platform. The general trend is that poorly managed and biased platforms haven't survived for long.
    Please feel free to block me now, as I am pretty sure all 3 of you are biased and "arm twisting" anyone who tries to override your ideology.
    Good Luck Iamashu95 (talk) 10:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
    @Iamashu95 I guess you've quit and probably won't see this, but for what it's worth, all of the sources in Tirath Singh Rawat's "Controversies" section were sourced with reliable news sources, such as NDTV, Al Jazeera, Hindustan Times and more, whereas the source you added on Rajendra Pal Gautam was News18 India, an unreliable source which has produced false news on multiple occasions. Ok123l (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Regions of Gujarat : Changes in Constituency numbers without any references

Regions of Gujarat No. of Constituencies
General SC ST Total
Central Gujarat 48 3 10 61
North Gujarat 26 3 3 32
Saurashtra – Kutch 48 6 0 54
South Gujarat 20 1 14 35
Total 142 13 27 182

@Cosmo Sarjak You have made many changes without any references. Please do not. Please refer to the election commission site and gujarat CEO site for such information. List_of_constituencies_of_the_Gujarat_Legislative_Assembly also has the references. Please check. Venkat TL (talk) 13:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

We need to verify the regions of Gujarat table, it keeps changing on this page and who knows if it's correct. Might find some things on Regions of Gujarat which shows the region's districts, and the district's individual pages show the constituencies in them. There is also this to check and verify it. Ok123l (talk) 17:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok123l Cosmo Sarjak see my comment above. We should use CEO gujarat site. User:MPGuy2824 any help? Venkat TL (talk) 17:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Regions of Gujarat is essentially unsourced, since the single source present there redirects to the home page of the site. If the definition of which district is in which region is in the GujCEO site, or any Gujarat government site, then go ahead and use it, otherwise we can skip this section altogether. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @MPGuy2824 @Ok123l Official sub-divisions of states in India is called 'Divisions'. Gujarat does not have any divisions. Regions are unofficial, probably used for administrative purposes. Unless Gujarat SEC or Gujarat CEO website has provided region wise election results/statistics, they can be removed. Dhruv edits (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Regions of Gujarat says they are officially shown by the website of the Government of Gujarat. We can check it with its archives on Wayback Machine. Ok123l (talk) 09:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@Ok123l That would be of no use. Regions can only be added on this page if there is region-wise list of constituencies available (including reserved seats). You can check Gujarat SEC and Gujarat CEO websites for it. Dhruv edits (talk) 09:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@Dhruv edits I found this, http://www.gujenvis.nic.in/PDF/demo.pdf. GEC ENVIS seems to be an organisation founded by Gujarat's Forest and Environment department: (source1, source2). The PDF mentions Gujarat regions in pages 1-2. Ok123l (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@Ok123l Information is outdated as there are 33 districts in Gujarat now. Similar info is at List of districts of Gujarat#List of districts by regions but without any reference. I believe the table mentioning regions should be removed since in the absence of info from an official source, there always will be doubts about the number of constituencies in each region and has potential for edit wars. Also since there is no mention of regions on Gujarat state or Gujarat CEO website, these sub-divisions seem unofficial. @Venkat TL Final thoughts? Dhruv edits (talk) 17:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@Dhruv edits @Ok123l @MPGuy2824 I understand the confusion. I had added this table of regions, I did not know it was controversial. But now that I knowI think removing it till we get a reliable source is the right thing to do. I support removal of that small table of regions. Venkat TL (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I had added the table first in the article, I have now moved the table to this thread. When there are reliable source for the data, the table can be added back into the article. Venkat TL (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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