Talk:2022–23 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season

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Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Notes from preliminary New Page Patrol review. Regarding WP:notability, has no GNG type sources and is a "stats only" article. The recommendation on those is to condense and merge into the team article. Suggest doing this. I just left this note and did not do any disposition. Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Last Year

Not sure how much relevance all last year's information has under 'Background'. Pictures of Nuno from last year and how we did in the cups. This is the page for 2022/23 season. User:Badgery86 (talk) 13:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Badgery86: As done in this featured article, and it gives background information for people that don't know much about Spurs's last season. Because last season affects what happens in this season so it's important information to know. I'll add more so it'll make more sense, which is why the under construction template is there, when it's finished you can let me know what you think. Thanks and COYS! Mwiqdoh (talk) 13:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

League finish predictions table

Nope, we don't want that, one a single lined table is a no, and wikipedia doesn't do predictions. WP:CRYSTAL. So it needs to be removed. Govvy (talk) 13:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: I'm just going by this featured article's format which has the table. Mwiqdoh (talk) 13:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

eewww, Arsenal, Govvy (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LOL! I'm only using that because it's the most recent featured season article. Cheers! Mwiqdoh (talk) 13:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That table could possibly be re-added much closer to the season, when there are multiple predictions worth including. A single video that is by definition tongue-in-cheek is not necessary. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alyo: To be fair, it's NBC Sports we are talking about, and more reliable sources predictions will be added as we go. Mwiqdoh (talk) 02:24, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And to add on, it's the "Way-too-early predictions" so we have that here now, and once we actually have the normal prediction we will replace this with that. Mwiqdoh (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop adding the table. The source doesn't actually say second, so this is a violation of WP:SYNTH. The fact that this type of table appears in a different FA is completely irrelevant. It's a totally different context, not to mention that this is basically WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I'll remove the table (because it's simply too early), but averaging multiple people's predictions is not OR. Mwiqdoh (talk) 06:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Background section

I don't see the need for that prose, it really should be all on the previous season's article. It's better to have that there than here. Govvy (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, not needed, as it's covered in the previous season's article. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've trimmed it down pretty heavily to just the things that are relevant to 22–23 (coaching change and the champions league placing). Mwiqdoh, I get that you're trying to model this after the Invincibles season, but you sort of have to realize that the reason that the 03–04 Arsenal article has such a lengthy Background section is because it's arguably the most famous team in EPL history. Furthermore, they explicitly accomplished something (winning the league) that makes the previous season (where they lost the title) more contextually interesting. 22–23 Spurs have...not (yet). As it is, this is just a generic league season and for the vast majority of those, there's no Background section. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:53, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linking "Israel"

It is appropriate to link Israel on first mention only (prose and the football box) since it is not a well-known country, and an average reader might not know what Israel is. There has been similar discussions on linking Qatar for the 2022 FIFA World Cup, which have all ended in a consensus in linking it (you can see on that article's talk page). Mwiqdoh (talk) 00:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Israel is far more known than Qatar. Comparing them is not really equivalent. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:18, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alyo: Do you think it's known enough to not have to link? Because we are talking about an average reader looking at a Spurs season article. Mwiqdoh (talk) 04:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that whatever you do for South Korea and Scotland, you should also do for Israel. They are similarly recognizable, and I do think we should trust our readers to understand basic locations and click through the city if they wish. Alyo (chat·edits) 05:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alyo: Come on now, Scotland? This is an article on English football, almost every reader would know Scotland. South Korea is pretty well known too, but Israel is a small country in the Middle East, which is why it's comparable to Qatar.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwiqdoh (talk • contribs) 12:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OVERLINK has pretty clear documentation, and it clearly states to avoid linking to country names. Govvy (talk) 17:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite

In the documentation. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc. Tottenham Hotspur sources are coming from the website, so it's either using |website= or |work=. :/ Cheers Govvy (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: Ok sorry I didn't know. Mwiqdoh (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sections

@Govvy: We need to have each competition its own section or it's gonna become a mess in a few months (for example): Mwiqdoh (talk) 07:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No it won't be, it's fine, works fine, don't know what you're complaining about to be honest. Govvy (talk) 09:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer dates.

What's with the rules change? Instead of putting the signing date, people are putting the contract date? Two different things going on, all previous seasons are signing dates and not contract dates. So, what's it going to be, are we breaking all the rules on wikipedia again?? Govvy (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing

Disruptive editing here [1] and this [2] you do know you can shove that in hidden code instead of this back and forth disruptive editing you're doing. And besides they are part of the squad since they signed, stupid to keep removing when they need to be added! :/ Govvy (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Age templates

Hugo Lloris, for example, has been 35 in the last five season articles, so this makes for great accuracy for the reader. Seasider53 (talk) 01:24, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Seasider53:, heh, bit of a late reply, but I see your point, I am not sure we really need their birthday on the season article. Maybe the whole fields needs removing? Govvy (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

date update on stats

@Badgery86: Why is the date updater gone for the statistics. It would be helpful if you could restore that. cheers. Govvy (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hmm, nm, I think the template might be broken or not working. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and nominations section

@Mwiqdoh: What sources are you using for that? You haven't included any citation there at all or the body who are issuing those nominations. Govvy (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: I've added references, I do apologize because I should have added the references when I added the section. Mwiqdoh (talk) 21:12, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

biggest defeat in infobox

It's a bit much, is it possible to slim it down?? Govvy (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: Be careful what you wish for.... Mwiqdoh (talk) 16:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lol, Welcome to inconsistent Tottenham! From 6-2 to 4-1! lol.

Govvy (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Season overview

I have written a season overview, probably needs improving and a few more citations thrown in there. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 09:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have improved wording, grammar and punctuation. Will add refs.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.159.249.206 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]